On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:29:57 -0500
Tony Carr <carrt7@...> wrote:
> (Audacity 1.3.13beta, Windows 7)
> >> PS: My pet peeve is still pressing "]" to end a selection, and
> >> finding Audacity busily building a "label" called "]" - and hitting
> >> the space bar in fury and even THAT doesn't stop the playback!
> >> (Because I forgot to shift track after making the last label.)
> > (Gale)
> > I think we discussed this before. If you don't have the yellow
> > focus border in the label track, then "]" should not be able to
> > enter into a label unless you pressed CTRL + B first.
> > Use UP arrow to move the focus border up from the label track
> > into the audio track.
> I contend that Audacity is counter-intuitive (aka unhelpful) at this
> point. Surely this is the natural sequence of moves to label parts of
> a track (with music track selected):
> - click playback area above track near start of desired item
> - listen, press [ at start of item, ] at end
> - hit SPACE to stop playback
> - CTRL-B, insert item name, ENTER
> - repeat for each desired item
> This fails on the second cycle because pressing ENTER has left the
> focus on the label track. The focus must be manually returned to the
> music track after every label-write on this one track.
> I would like to suggest any of these modifications to make Audacity
> more user-friendly (for morons like me) at this point:
> - disallow SPACE in labels, so that SPACE *always* stops playback.
> (To insert spaces in a label, use SHIFT-SPACE).
> - disallow [ and ] in labels, so that these keys always set the
> start and end of the current selection
> - have an option under Edit > Preferences > Keyboard which allows the
> user to achieve either of the above, OR to prevent CTRL-B moving the
> focus to the label track while writing a label
> I still love Audacity and use it daily. But yes, I want it to be perfect! Tony
I think I am repeating myself in this response.
As previously explained, the problem arises because one of
the developers strongly supports immediate creation of a label
by typing (without using CTRL + B) when the label track has focus.
This demands compromises and fudges when trying to prevent
shortcuts typing into labels. See:
As things are now, you just need to adapt your workflow.
* use UP arrow after ENTER, or
* hold CTRL and click in the track to restart playback rather
than click in the Timeline to do so. This puts the focus back in
the audio track, or
* drag a large selection forwards from where you want to
restart playback, then hits SPACE to play the selection. This
also puts focus back in the audio track.
If I was doing what you are doing, personally I would do:
1 Tracks > Add New > Label Track
2 UP arrow
3 Click playback area above track near start of desired item
4 Listen, press [ at start of item, ] at end
5 hit SPACE to stop playback
6 DOWN arrow (easier than CTRL + B )
7 Type label name
8 ENTER then UP arrow
9 Repeat steps 3 to 8 as required.
SPACE, [ and ] cannot be disallowed in labels, for obvious reasons.
Focus must move into the label track when a label is created or
I would support one or both of:
* a Preference "Create label by typing in focused label track"
(off by default)
* When a label is open for editing, UP or DOWN arrow closes
the label then moves the track focus up or down as