Inkscape

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 13:02, Leandro Regueiro
<leandro.regueiro@...> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:56 PM, helix84 <helix84@...> wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:51, Leandro Regueiro
>> <leandro.regueiro@...> wrote:
>>>> I ran update_po_files.sh in trunk again and commited in r21020.
>>>
>>> Why is so difficult to generate a .pot file?
>>
>> See Alexandre's response here:
>> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200901060816.01179.khoemsokhem%40khmeros.info&forum_name=inkscape-translator
>
> But with this we have to checkout the whole code, isn't it?

That's right. And compile it which takes quite some time.

Regards,
~~helix84

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:04 PM, helix84 wrote:

>>>> Why is so difficult to generate a .pot file?
>>>
>>> See Alexandre's response here:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200901060816.01179.khoemsokhem%40khmeros.info&forum_name=inkscape-translator
>>
>> But with this we have to checkout the whole code, isn't it?
>
> That's right. And compile it which takes quite some time.

It looks like people are not happy. So I volunteer to update POT file
in SVN on weekly basis (say, every Friday night) and, additionally,
after a major change in strings (like a bunch of new SVG filters
added). Any objections?

Alexandre

> De : helix84 <helix84@...>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 13:02, Leandro Regueiro wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:56 PM, helix84 wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:51, Leandro Regueiro
> >> wrote:
> >>>> I ran update_po_files.sh in trunk again and commited in r21020.
> >>>
> >>> Why is so difficult to generate a .pot file?
> >>
> >> See Alexandre's response here:
> >> 
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200901060816.01179.khoemsokhem%40khmeros.info&forum_name=inkscape-translator
> >
> > But with this we have to checkout the whole code, isn't it?
> 
> That's right. And compile it which takes quite some time.

Not if you compile it regularly from SVN. As you don't need to build the whole code, the compile time is *usually* short.

By the way, did you see this bug (wishlist), helix84?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/289240

Do you (and others!) think it's possible (or necessary) to automate the po files updating process, or, at least, have them manually updated more regularly?
--
Nicolas

> De : Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...>
> It looks like people are not happy. So I volunteer to update POT file
> in SVN on weekly basis (say, every Friday night) and, additionally,
> after a major change in strings (like a bunch of new SVG filters
> added). Any objections?

Thanks Alexandre!
--
Nicolas

>> It looks like people are not happy. So I volunteer to update POT file
>> in SVN on weekly basis (say, every Friday night) and, additionally,
>> after a major change in strings (like a bunch of new SVG filters
>> added). Any objections?

I really think that generating a new POT file on an automated way is a
good idea. Another projects do this and also automatically update all
the po files. I think it isn't so difficult, creating a script and
putting it on cron...

Bye,
                   Leandro Regueiro

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Leandro Regueiro wrote:
>>> It looks like people are not happy. So I volunteer to update POT file
>>> in SVN on weekly basis (say, every Friday night) and, additionally,
>>> after a major change in strings (like a bunch of new SVG filters
>>> added). Any objections?
>
> I really think that generating a new POT file on an automated way is a
> good idea. Another projects do this and also automatically update all
> the po files. I think it isn't so difficult, creating a script and
> putting it on cron...

And this script is able to check whether compilation was successful? :)

Alexandre

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 13:26, Nicolas Dufour <nicoduf@...> wrote:
>> De : helix84 <helix84@...>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 13:02, Leandro Regueiro wrote:
>> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:56 PM, helix84 wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:51, Leandro Regueiro
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> I ran update_po_files.sh in trunk again and commited in r21020.
>> >>>
>> >>> Why is so difficult to generate a .pot file?
>> >>
>> >> See Alexandre's response here:
>> >>
>> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200901060816.01179.khoemsokhem%40khmeros.info&forum_name=inkscape-translator
>> >
>> > But with this we have to checkout the whole code, isn't it?
>>
>> That's right. And compile it which takes quite some time.
>
> Not if you compile it regularly from SVN. As you don't need to build the whole code, the compile time is *usually* short.
>
> By the way, did you see this bug (wishlist), helix84?
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/289240
>
> Do you (and others!) think it's possible (or necessary) to automate the po files updating process, or, at least, have them manually updated more regularly?

Updating the .pot file in an automated is necessary. Daily basis wouldn't hurt.
I don't think it's necessary to update the .po files from .pot so
often, as most translators should know how to do it and they might
feel it interferes with their work (if the file is updated before
their patch is commited). So I suggest to commit .po files updates
once a month.

BTW Alexandre, is the release date for 0.47 specified? I didn't find
any release schedule.

Regards,
~~helix84

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Leandro Regueiro
<leandro.regueiro@...> wrote:
>>> It looks like people are not happy. So I volunteer to update POT file
>>> in SVN on weekly basis (say, every Friday night) and, additionally,
>>> after a major change in strings (like a bunch of new SVG filters
>>> added). Any objections?
>
> I really think that generating a new POT file on an automated way is a
> good idea. Another projects do this and also automatically update all
> the po files. I think it isn't so difficult, creating a script and
> putting it on cron...

By the way, thanks Alexandre.

Doing the way you were doing, if a translator doesn't do this for some
reason, when you finally update the files it encounters that has to
update a lot of strings.

If the files are well formed it isn't necessary to check if it
Inkscape compiles right with that translations files.

Bye,
              Leandro Regueiro

> Updating the .pot file in an automated is necessary. Daily basis wouldn't hurt.
> I don't think it's necessary to update the .po files from .pot so
> often, as most translators should know how to do it and they might
> feel it interferes with their work (if the file is updated before
> their patch is commited). So I suggest to commit .po files updates
> once a month.

Really the updating of .po files only is needed just before a new
version is going to be built. But generating a .pot file every week or
best, every day is necessary. The translators know how to update their
.po files using the .pot file, but this .pot file must exist and be
updated. This way only the .pot generation needs to be automated.

Bye,
                 Leandro Regueiro

> De : helix84 <helix84@...>

> BTW Alexandre, is the release date for 0.47 specified? I didn't find
> any release schedule.

There's something here:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/0.47_Refactoring_Plan
But I don't know if it has been widely agreed.
--
Nicolas

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 13:49, Nicolas Dufour <nicoduf@...> wrote:
>
>> De : helix84 <helix84@...>
>
>> BTW Alexandre, is the release date for 0.47 specified? I didn't find
>> any release schedule.
>
> There's something here:
> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/0.47_Refactoring_Plan
> But I don't know if it has been widely agreed.

Those dates relate to 2008 ;) look at 0.46 release and history of that article.

Regards,
~~helix84

2009/3/31 Leandro Regueiro <leandro.regueiro@...>:

>>>> It looks like people are not happy. So I volunteer to update POT file
>>>> in SVN on weekly basis (say, every Friday night) and, additionally,
>>>> after a major change in strings (like a bunch of new SVG filters
>>>> added). Any objections?
>>
>> I really think that generating a new POT file on an automated way is a
>> good idea. Another projects do this and also automatically update all
>> the po files. I think it isn't so difficult, creating a script and
>> putting it on cron...
>
> By the way, thanks Alexandre.

Alexandre, if you volunteer to generate the new file manually every
week I can easily set-up a little job on my server and provide an
up-to-date pot file. I have already been doing some automation of the
process for the Polish translations.

Regardless - if I can be of any help - let me know.

Also - do we envisage putting the .pot into SVN - although it is not a
big file perhaps it could be uploaded to a website (inkscape?) as in
SVN it can always be update from source code.

BTW. The original discussion was held here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/179209



Regards,
Marcin

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Marcin Floryan
http://marcin.floryan.pl/

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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Marcin Floryan wrote:

> Alexandre, if you volunteer to generate the new file manually every
> week I can easily set-up a little job on my server and provide an
> up-to-date pot file. I have already been doing some automation of the
> process for the Polish translations.
>
> Regardless - if I can be of any help - let me know.
>
> Also - do we envisage putting the .pot into SVN - although it is not a
> big file perhaps it could be uploaded to a website (inkscape?) as in
> SVN it can always be update from source code.

In fact I was meaning committing a POT fiel to SVN :)

Alexandre

SVN would be the easiest and most handy.
In this case you have the pot file and all .po files (you can use
other languages as a reference for your own translations) together. And also,
everyone knows where to look for the latest pot. :-)

Regards
Kris


2009/3/31 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...>:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Marcin Floryan wrote:
>
>> Alexandre, if you volunteer to generate the new file manually every
>> week I can easily set-up a little job on my server and provide an
>> up-to-date pot file. I have already been doing some automation of the
>> process for the Polish translations.
>>
>> Regardless - if I can be of any help - let me know.
>>
>> Also - do we envisage putting the .pot into SVN - although it is not a
>> big file perhaps it could be uploaded to a website (inkscape?) as in
>> SVN it can always be update from source code.
>
> In fact I was meaning committing a POT fiel to SVN :)
>
> Alexandre

> SVN would be the easiest and most handy.
> In this case you have the pot file and all .po files (you can use
> other languages as a reference for your own translations) together. And also,
> everyone knows where to look for the latest pot. :-)

Usually a new translator expects to have the .pot files with the .po files.

Bye,
               Leandro Regueiro

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I used to translate on battle of Wesnoth, they have a nice site
http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/ on which they keep track of progress.
Though I do not know if they do a pot update automaticly it might be
useful to contact them (Nils Kneuper aka Ivanovic) to know how they do
it. Or some other project, because I guess we do not need to reinvent
the wheel.

Foppe

Leandro Regueiro schreef:
>> Updating the .pot file in an automated is necessary. Daily basis
wouldn't hurt.
>> I don't think it's necessary to update the .po files from .pot so
>> often, as most translators should know how to do it and they might
>> feel it interferes with their work (if the file is updated before
>> their patch is commited). So I suggest to commit .po files updates
>> once a month.
>
> Really the updating of .po files only is needed just before a new
> version is going to be built. But generating a .pot file every week or
> best, every day is necessary. The translators know how to update their
> .po files using the .pot file, but this .pot file must exist and be
> updated. This way only the .pot generation needs to be automated.
>
> Bye,
>                  Leandro Regueiro
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Maybe an automated statistics page could be useful to promote
competition between the different languages like in other projects
(kde or wesnoth for example).

Bye,
              Leandro Regueiro

2009/4/1 Leandro Regueiro <leandro.regueiro@...>:
> Maybe an automated statistics page could be useful to promote
> competition between the different languages like in other projects
> (kde or wesnoth for example).

I have cobbled one quickly together.

http://mfloryan.statnet.pl/~mfloryan/inkscape/

If people think it makes sense I can automate it and generate as often
as needed.

Any comments welcome.

Regards,
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>> Maybe an automated statistics page could be useful to promote
>> competition between the different languages like in other projects
>> (kde or wesnoth for example).
>
> I have cobbled one quickly together.
>
> http://mfloryan.statnet.pl/~mfloryan/inkscape/
>
> If people think it makes sense I can automate it and generate as often
> as needed.

If it is a lot of work could you add the top list function to list
from more translated to less translated? This is for improving
competition. And add a link in the Inkscape website. Of course it
should be generated automatically, lets say one time per day or per
week...

By the way it looks good, a lot of thanks.

Bye,
                Leandro Regueiro

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Leandro Regueiro
<leandro.regueiro@...> wrote:
>>> Maybe an automated statistics page could be useful to promote
>>> competition between the different languages like in other projects
>>> (kde or wesnoth for example).
>>
>> I have cobbled one quickly together.
>>
>> http://mfloryan.statnet.pl/~mfloryan/inkscape/
>>
>> If people think it makes sense I can automate it and generate as often
>> as needed.
>
> If it is a lot of work could you add the top list function to list
> from more translated to less translated? This is for improving
> competition. And add a link in the Inkscape website. Of course it
> should be generated automatically, lets say one time per day or per
> week...
>
> By the way it looks good, a lot of thanks.

Take a look here http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kde4/toplist/

Bye,
                 Leandro Regueiro

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:49:35AM +0000, Nicolas Dufour wrote:
> 
> > De : helix84 <helix84@...>
> 
> > BTW Alexandre, is the release date for 0.47 specified? I didn't find
> > any release schedule.
> 
> There's something here:
> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/0.47_Refactoring_Plan
> But I don't know if it has been widely agreed.

Pretty sure we're well beyond any established dates.

Keep up the good work everyone,
Bryce

Hi!

Attached to this message you can find a patch to correct some typos in Inkscape messages (just an aspell checking). Can they be fixed before the realease?

Thanks in advance.
Yuri

P.S. BTW To whom can I send an updated Ukrainian translation? It seems our committer is out of business. :(

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 17:19, Yuri Chornoivan <yurchor@...> wrote:
> Attached to this message you can find a patch to correct some typos in Inkscape messages (just an aspell checking). Can they be fixed before the realease?

Thank you, I commited your patch in r21291. There's enough time before
release, don't worry.
I also updated inkscape.pot.

Regards
~~helix84

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Yuri Chornoivan wrote:

> P.S. BTW To whom can I send an updated Ukrainian translation?\

Me

Alexandre