Webware for Python

Hi,

Great product.

I work a lot with comercial application servers,such as WebLogic, and am
interested in helping you with the Cans area.
Also maybe a Console user interface to start/restart/stop Webkit.

Let me know if you are interested.

Owen McGettrick

Re: [Webware-discuss] Got Help? From: Jay Love <jsliv@js...> - 2001-01-09 01:19 I apologize for taking so long to respond to your inquiry. YES, we need help. On the Cans situation, what's in Webware now is really just a practical proof of concept. I didn't put a ton of thought into it. I think it works fairly well for how simple it is. Have a look and let me know what thoughts you have, either in implementation or design. Jay McGettrick, Owen J wrote: > Hi, > > Great product. > > I work a lot with comercial application servers,such as WebLogic, and am > interested in helping you with the Cans area. > Also maybe a Console user interface to start/restart/stop Webkit. > > Let me know if you are interested. > > Owen McGettrick > > _______________________________________________ > Webware-discuss mailing list > Webware-discuss@... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/webware-discuss

Re: [Webware-discuss] Got Help? From: Chuck Esterbrook <echuck@mi...> - 2001-01-09 18:07 Did I forget to respond to Owen's message? If I did, I apologize. Here's my take: * Cans should really be in a new CanKit. And they need more docs and examples. But I'm not the Can champion as I use a different technique. However, I will probably extract cans to CanKit if someone doesn't get to it first. * We *definitely* need a console interface for WebKit app server management. I welcome volunteers as my TO DO list is already swamped with other items. BTW I saved one of my clients tens of thousands of dollars on a project by recommending Webware over Weblogic. :-) -Chuck At 08:28 PM 1/8/2001 -0500, Jay Love wrote: >I apologize for taking so long to respond to your inquiry. > >YES, we need help. > >On the Cans situation, what's in Webware now is really just a practical >proof of concept. I didn't put a ton of thought into it. I think it >works fairly well for how simple it is. > >Have a look and let me know what thoughts you have, either in >implementation or design. > >Jay > > >McGettrick, Owen J wrote: > >>Hi, >>Great product. >>I work a lot with comercial application servers,such as WebLogic, and am >>interested in helping you with the Cans area. >>Also maybe a Console user interface to start/restart/stop Webkit. >>Let me know if you are interested. >>Owen McGettrick >>_______________________________________________ >>Webware-discuss mailing list >>Webware-discuss@... >>http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/webware-discuss > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Webware-discuss mailing list >Webware-discuss@... >http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/webware-discuss

Re: [Webware-discuss] Got Help? From: Jay Love <jsliv@js...> - 2001-01-10 01:27 I know you've requested it be moved to a Kit a few times Chuck. The reason I haven't moved it is because in it's current state it is not possible to move. Application, Session and Request all inherit from a mixin class, CanContainer. Page.py and Servlet.py each have member functions that are used in the Can architecture. To pull it out, if it can be pulled out, wil at least require a complete redesign. Since there's some interest in the topic, I'll be getting to it soon. However, it still may not be possible to abstract this into something that can be separated cleanly from the rest of WebKit. And I would argue that it doesn't have to be. It adds no overhead and the whole thing is probably less than 100 lines of code. Some things should just be included in the main system. We aren't going to split session management out into a SessionKit. Ya know? Jay Chuck Esterbrook wrote: > Did I forget to respond to Owen's message? If I did, I apologize. > > Here's my take: > > * Cans should really be in a new CanKit. And they need more docs and > examples. But I'm not the Can champion as I use a different technique. > However, I will probably extract cans to CanKit if someone doesn't get > to it first. > > * We *definitely* need a console interface for WebKit app server > management. I welcome volunteers as my TO DO list is already swamped > with other items. > > > BTW I saved one of my clients tens of thousands of dollars on a > project by recommending Webware over Weblogic. :-) > > -Chuck > > > > At 08:28 PM 1/8/2001 -0500, Jay Love wrote: > >> I apologize for taking so long to respond to your inquiry. >> >> YES, we need help. >> >> On the Cans situation, what's in Webware now is really just a >> practical proof of concept. I didn't put a ton of thought into it. >> I think it works fairly well for how simple it is. >> >> Have a look and let me know what thoughts you have, either in >> implementation or design. >> >> Jay >> >> >> McGettrick, Owen J wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Great product. >>> I work a lot with comercial application servers,such as WebLogic, >>> and am >>> interested in helping you with the Cans area. >>> Also maybe a Console user interface to start/restart/stop Webkit. >>> Let me know if you are interested. >>> Owen McGettrick >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Webware-discuss mailing list >>> Webware-discuss@... >>> http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/webware-discuss >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Webware-discuss mailing list >> Webware-discuss@... >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/webware-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Webware-discuss mailing list > Webware-discuss@... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/webware-discuss

Re: [Webware-discuss] Got Help? From: Chuck Esterbrook <echuck@mi...> - 2001-01-10 02:42 At 08:36 PM 1/9/2001 -0500, Jay Love wrote: >I know you've requested it be moved to a Kit a few times Chuck. The >reason I haven't moved it is because in it's current state it is not >possible to move. Application, Session and Request all inherit from a >mixin class, CanContainer. Page.py and Servlet.py each have member >functions that are used in the Can architecture. To pull it out, if it >can be pulled out, wil at least require a complete redesign. Since >there's some interest in the topic, I'll be getting to it soon. It is possible actually. Using dynamic mix-ins. e.g., mixing in a new base class to an existing class when the plug-in is loaded. >However, it still may not be possible to abstract this into something that >can be separated cleanly from the rest of WebKit. And I would argue that >it doesn't have to be. It adds no overhead and the whole thing is >probably less than 100 lines of code. Some things should just be included >in the main system. We aren't going to split session management out into >a SessionKit. Ya know? Using mix-ins, I don't think you would have to redesign it at all. Sessions are more fundamental to application servers. PSPs, Cans, object-relational mappers, etc. are not. I also assumed Cans would grow quite a bit. People have mentioned expanding the examples and providing better support for multi-threading. I'm sure other features will be added as well. -Chuck

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