On 10/18/2010 4:33 PM, Vaughan Johnson wrote:
> On 10/14/2010 6:49 PM, Martyn Shaw wrote:
>> Writing/reading on Bugzilla, audacity-devel, wiki and audacity-quality
>> is confusing, certainly for me. Sorry, I'll try and restrict myself
>> to one mode in future. Which should it be though?
> Absolutely, it has become unclear between wiki and list. I still think
> the -devel vs -quality decision is clear the vast majority of the time.
> But if a newly started wiki discussion isn't mentioned on list, few
> people are aware of it.
> Yes, we wanted to reduce the flood of emails on -devel, but that was
> primarily about long, detailed QA discussions that were not appropriate
> to the list. I'd prefer discussions start on the appropriate list, then
> go to wiki and bugzilla discussions as warranted. And the criterion for
> moving them off-list should probably be that they're expected to be long
> and detailed and not of general interest to the list.
> There are *lots* of wiki discussions I had no knowledge of until
> recently. I wish it was possible to "watch" all wiki pages by default,
> so we'd get notified of new ones and could selectively un-watch them
> rather than having to turn on watch for each one.
> And it's good for bugzilla entries to point to relevant wiki pages and
> list threads. I've run into a couple lately that had substantial prior
> discussions behind them, that were not noted in the bugzilla entry.
> As this is a cross-list posting, please reply-all if you have comments.
Another problem is a proliferation of overlapping, sometimes redundant,
sometimes conflicting wiki pages.
I see little point in starting a wiki page for a discussion that might
happen, or already happened on-list.
For example, http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Proposal_New_Skins looks
that way to me. I think all that content appears elsewhere (in on-list
discussions), but I don't think that page was ever mentioned on list,
and it doesn't refer to the thread(s) where the discussion occurred.
And it says "For the time being this is a page on which users can link
to images of suggested new skins and any alternate icons to go with them
so that we can compare and contrast. " -- but if you Google search the
wiki (because the built-in wiki search is so weak), there's a similar
line at http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Audacity-Extra:
"Alternative themes may be posted at audacity-extra whilst they (and the
theming feature) are still under development. ". How is someone supposed
to know which one is actually the right place?
Overlapping descriptions of Theming appear at:
(Why two URLs for what's apparently the same page?)
I don't mean to pick on this example, I just ran across it when trying
to find a succinct description of the image cache format for Steve --
which I didn't find.
It's easy to start new wiki pages, but without more structure, these
redundancies and conflicts are bound to happen. And without notification
on-list, most of the discussion pages end up with only 1-3 participants.
The Index (http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex) is
vast, so it's hard to scan. And scanning is difficult because there's no
standard convention for naming pages.
How can we improve usability and perspicuity of the wiki?