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On 09/16/2012 11:34 PM, Nathan Hartley wrote:
>
>  > Easily copy someone from one tree to another?
>  > Is it possible to do so without creating a filter for that one
> person, exporting it and then importing?
>
> Funny, I just joined the group to ask this very question.
>
> I am attempting to merge Grandma's 5 separate GedCom files representing over
> 2,000 people, some of whom are the duplicated among the files, as well as to
> my tree.
>
> I had tried a test import in to my database, by creating a filter that
> exported a single person, but found that though only the one person was
> exported, EVERYTHING else in the database was also exported (events, places,
> notes, etc). Making for a very noisy import.
>
> I may attempt the XML editing, while awaiting the ability to copy and paste.
> Thanks for the idea.
>

What happened when you "just" imported her 5 GEDCOMs into a copy of your tree?

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Hello Nathan

One of the export options Gramps provides is something called 'Reference filter'. By default it is set to 'Include all selected records'. The other possibility is 'Do not include records not linked to a selected person'.

If you choose this second option then Gramps will not export any unrelated events, places, notes etc when you export a filtered set of people.

Bye

Gary





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>Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 5:34
>Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Easily copy someone from one tree to another?
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>
>
>> Easily copy someone from one tree to another?
>> Is it possible to do so without creating a filter for that one person, exporting it and then importing?
>
>
>Funny, I just joined the group to ask this very question.
>
>
>I am attempting to merge Grandma's 5 separate GedCom files representing over 2,000 people, some of whom are the duplicated among the files, as well as to my tree.
>
>
>I had tried a test import in to my database, by creating a filter that exported a single person, but found that though only the one person was exported, EVERYTHING else in the database was also exported (events, places, notes, etc). Making for a very noisy import.
>
>
>I may attempt the XML editing, while awaiting the ability to copy and paste. Thanks for the idea.
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> On 09/16/2012 11:34 PM, Nathan Hartley wrote:
> > I am attempting to merge Grandma's 5 separate GedCom files representing
over
> > 2,000 people, some of whom are the duplicated among the files, as well
as to my tree.

On 17 Sep 2012 01:51:34 -0500 Ron Johnson wrote:
> What happened when you "just" imported her 5 GEDCOMs into a copy of your
tree?

I imported all 5 into the same empty database and have been working through
merging, purging and ... cleaning/ transforming/ sanitizing the data, ever
since. She often didn't enter things the same way twice (nor 5 times for
that matter).

My current plan is to manually merge duplicates between Grandma's database
and my own. When I get to branches that only exist in her database, I'll
re-attempt the filtered export with the Reference Filter set to 'Do not
include records not linked to a selected person', that Gary mentioned.

Any other suggestions?


My thanks to the Gramps team for Gramps and to everyone on this list for
your help!

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:07:54AM -0400, Nathan Hartley wrote:
>> On 09/16/2012 11:34 PM, Nathan Hartley wrote:
>> > I am attempting to merge Grandma's 5 separate GedCom files representing
>over
>> > 2,000 people, some of whom are the duplicated among the files, as well as
>to my tree.
>
>On 17 Sep 2012 01:51:34 -0500 Ron Johnson wrote:
>> What happened when you "just" imported her 5 GEDCOMs into a copy of your
>tree?
>
>I imported all 5 into the same empty database and have been working through
>merging, purging and ... cleaning/ transforming/ sanitizing the data, ever
>since. She often didn't enter things the same way twice (nor 5 times for that
>matter).
>
>My current plan is to manually merge duplicates between Grandma's database and
>my own. When I get to branches that only exist in her database, I'll re-attempt
>the filtered export with the Reference Filter set to 'Do not include records
>not linked to a selected person', that Gary mentioned.
>
>Any other suggestions?

Maybe not useful to you now, but if I were doing this I'd probably merge
the gedcoms before putting them into gramps. There are many tools in the
linux/unix world, e.g. the diff utility, which could be of help, as well
as some clever text editors. Whether you are prepared to use such tools
I don't know.

You might also look at gedcom-specific software. I think I am right in
saying that PAF, for instance, has some merging capability. Others can
be found on the web, including some purchase ware which make large
claims. Anyway, I'd start by doing a web search on merging gedcoms.

M.

What about common diff/patch commands?

Something like:

1. 'gunzip' two .gramps files generated after two sessions (ex: yesterday and today). //work with copies for testing//

$ diff -u yesterday.gramps today.gramps > diff.patch
$ patch yesterday.gramps diff.patch # this should re-generate 'today.gramps' ! it was a sample...

OK, not the nicer way, but I suppose one of the faster which will also let the user control of their data.

If need, we could also try to generate a simple 'person selector' with an existing Gramps XML file? Once selected, a process will look at related references (records), then will generate a quick Gramps XML for an new import. I suppose it is easy to make something like that outside of gramps with some scripts (GNU tools, perl, python, CLI, etc ...)


--- En date de : Mar 18.9.12, Martin Steer <martinsteer@...> a écrit :

> De: Martin Steer <martinsteer@...>
> Objet: Re: [Gramps-users] Easily copy someone from one tree to another?
> À: gramps-users@...
> Date: Mardi 18 septembre 2012, 14h33
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:07:54AM
> -0400, Nathan Hartley wrote:
> >> On 09/16/2012 11:34 PM, Nathan Hartley wrote:
> >> > I am attempting to merge Grandma's 5 separate
> GedCom files representing
> >over
> >> > 2,000 people, some of whom are the duplicated
> among the files, as well as
> >to my tree.
> >
> >On 17 Sep 2012 01:51:34 -0500 Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> What happened when you "just" imported her 5
> GEDCOMs into a copy of your
> >tree?
> >
> >I imported all 5 into the same empty database and have
> been working through
> >merging, purging and ... cleaning/ transforming/
> sanitizing the data, ever
> >since. She often didn't enter things the same way twice
> (nor 5 times for that
> >matter).
> >
> >My current plan is to manually merge duplicates between
> Grandma's database and
> >my own. When I get to branches that only exist in her
> database, I'll re-attempt
> >the filtered export with the Reference Filter set to 'Do
> not include records
> >not linked to a selected person', that Gary mentioned.
> >
> >Any other suggestions?
> 
> Maybe not useful to you now, but if I were doing this I'd
> probably merge
> the gedcoms before putting them into gramps. There are many
> tools in the
> linux/unix world, e.g. the diff utility, which could be of
> help, as well
> as some clever text editors. Whether you are prepared to use
> such tools
> I don't know.
> 
> You might also look at gedcom-specific software. I think I
> am right in
> saying that PAF, for instance, has some merging capability.
> Others can
> be found on the web, including some purchase ware which make
> large
> claims. Anyway, I'd start by doing a web search on merging
> gedcoms.
> 
> M.
> 
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On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 09:46:10AM +0100, jerome wrote:
>
>If need, we could also try to generate a simple 'person selector' with an existing Gramps XML file? Once selected, a process will look at related references (records), then will generate a quick Gramps XML for an new import. I suppose it is easy to make something like that outside of gramps with some scripts (GNU tools, perl, python, CLI, etc ...)

There are a number of tools for GEDCOM manipulation on CPAN.

M.

> There are a number of tools for GEDCOM manipulation on CPAN.

OK, but what about current gedcom limitations[1]?

Also, the well known design issues on this file format: no proper way 
for timestamp handling, order of children into family, no top level 
events (and places) generating problems for properly/commonly handling 
roles or shared events (and places), use of two source models (without 
logical bridge), poor media support, no common 'structure' (own 
cooking), last stable/common spec?, no stable and common ID, syntax 
problems (end of line, spaces handling, custom tags/token, easy to 
corrupt), etc ...

I just thought on using python modules like elementtree[2] and 
argparse[3] for parsing with arguments/options a Gramps XML file!

This could be used in relation with ImportGramplet[4] and Data 
difference reports[5]...

We could also think on a more accessible history support like into webapp?

[1] http://bettergedcom.wikispaces.com/Shortcomings+Of+GEDCOM
[2] http://docs.python.org/library/xml.etree.elementtree.html
[3] http://docs.python.org/library/argparse.html
[4] http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=ImportGramplet
[5] 
http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GEPS_009:_Import_Export_Merge#Current_Related_Files




Le 20/09/2012 18:15, Martin Steer a écrit :
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 09:46:10AM +0100, jerome wrote:
>>
>> If need, we could also try to generate a simple 'person selector' with
>> an existing Gramps XML file? Once selected, a process will look at
>> related references (records), then will generate a quick Gramps XML
>> for an new import. I suppose it is easy to make something like that
>> outside of gramps with some scripts (GNU tools, perl, python, CLI, etc
>> ...)
>
> There are a number of tools for GEDCOM manipulation on CPAN.
>
> M.
>