On October 25, 2008 07:39:39 pm Geoff Beasley wrote:
> Dear Devs (friends)
> just looking at my options here and have to say just a few points most of
> which have already been mentioned by me and others before.
> Muse 0.9x is without peer for serious midi work full stop. It is feature
> (very) rich where it REALLY matters (time and tempo variables,playback
> timing, window management, editing interface,stability etc), and although
> it has a few quirks, they are manageable and I'm quite used to them ;)
> However, there has been for a long time now the issue of Muse suffering
> from being abandoned by the primary dev, namely Werner, for other projects.
> Laudable as they are,(muse score and muse2) watching Muse fade utterly from
> the LA world has both amazed and frustrated me. Most distro's I have seen
> have packages no later that v 0.8x which as we know is full of really
> serious bugs and problems; most of which have been to a very large extent
> repaired. However, anyone installing and trying to use these versions will
> soon find the bugs are total showstoppers for serious work and walk away.
> Tim as we all know has done a remakable amount of really good work this
> last year on the .9x branch and has singularly kept it alive and usable.
> However, his development platform is behind the current 'state-of-play'
> relative to compilers,libraries and kernels and this has meant that he
> cannot reproduce the issues seen by those who have 'up-to-the-minute'
> systems in production such as I do. I'm often forced to 'upgrade'
> frequently to keep up with latest moves in the audio/midi arena and
> therefore have perhaps seen this more than most.
> It seems such a waste of everyones' efforts so far to just leave Muse
> here....there is nothing close to Muse in Linux. Can we give Muse .9x one
> last polish so she can live on a current machine and be the best she can be
> for a little while longer? Then realese v1 with a splash! Could it be
> updated to QT4 perhaps? That would see most of the UI issues vanish, no?
> Werner, you use a current system don't you ? Perhaps you can see if Muse
> 0.9x will build for you ? Maybe it's just me....alsa-1.0.17,
> jack-0.115,kernel-220.127.116.11-rt5,gcc-4.3.2 etc
> In fact I would consider it important,for Muse 2 to achive wide acceptance,
> that Muse 1 needs to lift it's profile and earn it's place in the LA world
> again and make it's mark. To lift it's current reputation as an
> old,unsupported,buggy app to it's 'real' current status of a
> stable,reliable and musical midi app; that's what i consider it as.
> Werner, Robert,Mathias,Tim and anyone else involved; can we put this right?
> If a couple of you were to work in tandem in 'real-time' perhaps there is
> only a few hour work in it ? This is such good software; to see it left
> here like this is such a shame.I would be devestated to have to leave Muse
> If I'm deluded and speaking out of turn you must tell me; I'm a mere end
> user not a dev; but one who cares. I am indebted to you all for your past
> and current efforts with Muse. I really mean that.
> Anyway, I now have to go and create a Jingle Bells sequence on Rosegarden
> :( ...pray for me..
Geoff I didn't get a chance to install a recent distro to try the latest
tools etc. I will let you know how it goes, when it goes...
Changing Muse 1 to use QT4 is entirely out of the question.
Just not possible. If it were attempted, you know what we would
end up with? Muse 2 ! So it's already been done !
Currently the Muse project is about as far from a 'coherent' team effort
as you can get. Development is very informal with very little discussion
or planning among the developers (unless private communications are
That actually works out great for me, because if we had several people
committing changes every week, it would seriously mess up my efforts,
unless we had serious planning worked out so no-one stepped on each
others toes. It allows me to just 'do what I gotta do'. Sometimes a
one-man concentrated effort can get a lot done, as you can see.
In the case of Muse 1, I think this for the better at the moment because
I sort of have my eyes on the whole thing and I know where I'm going.
Remember I'm just one guy who came outta nowhere and was absolutely
DETERMINED to fix it up, maybe a bit obsessively. (And got in way over
his head, ha ha!)
Contrast this with say, Ardour or Rosegarden which seem to have formal
schedules, planning etc. with so many developers on the teams.
That's one thing I need to learn how to do - work with a team, where
each person works on a specific area, in a formal manner.
Perhaps when Werner returns to devoting more time to Muse 2 we can
set up a concerted team effort to re-kick-start development of it.
I do know that he has been quietly adding things here and there,
and he does carefully listen to what we all say about it.
Ironically, the Rosegarden project page mentions the "crowded" field of
music apps for linux, and says Muse will have a stable release soon.
I wonder if they meant Muse 1 or 2 ?
I guess the RG devs have been watching us...
(Gee, pressure's on. Getting... hot... in... here. Sweat sweat...)
(Recent Linux Format magazine article about open source music in schools):
Maybe a good time to say this slight cliche: Sometimes when I ask myself
why the hell I'm devoting so much time to it, I say
"For myself, firstly, but also for the folks out there who just want to make
music". I think of the proverbial "poor kid in a poor country" who's
eyes light up upon receiving a computer in his classroom and they're
sitting there trying to make music with open source. If I can help
that one teacher and his kids, well... I'm happy.
(OK, bragging rights, and prospective employment for me as well, ha ha...)
I must admit, I just want to get the next commit (or two) in there,
and be done with it. It's time to finish her off and turn to Muse 2.
Muse 1's release has been too long coming (perhaps too late?)
But I'll tell you this: I would trust it to make my next CD, and can't
fathom using anything else for now !
So hang in there, some more awesome fixes coming soon.
I hope you all enjoy using it as much as I've enjoyed tinkering with it.
If I can get it to compile with the latest tools, well, then we'll be
Ok for now..
Soon I'll go through all the bug reports and do some updating and closing.
OK, enough philosophy for now.
Thanks for your comments Geoff.