Cream (for Vim)

On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 14:04 -0700, Steve Hall wrote:
> From: "Igor Gatis", Mon, December 03, 2007 10:46 pm
> > 
> > I just started to use Cream and I really liked it. The only thing that
> > it looks weird is that CTRL+F4 closes the program while most of
> > applications close a single file (or a single tab) rather than the
> > whole application. Have you guys considered changing that?
> 
> Anyone opposed to this? I would then re-map Alt+F4 to close the
> application, although on Windows this happens already through the
> window manager.

I wouldn't mind.

And I'm still hoping a solution will be found for Ctrl-o and Ctrl-w - I
keep pressing them accidentally, and the fact that all other editors I'm
using support them really prevents me from un-learning them.

-- 
Elias Pschernig <elias@...>

Yep, CTRL+O for opening files would be great.

BTW (and this is really minor): editor does not close the last file
opened (off course, it has to have something opened to stay up).
Wouldn't be better to close last file by opening a new empty buffer?
Sometimes you just want to close everything without existing the
editor.

-Igor

On Dec 4, 2007 1:12 PM, Elias Pschernig <elias@...> wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 14:04 -0700, Steve Hall wrote:
> > From: "Igor Gatis", Mon, December 03, 2007 10:46 pm
> > >
> > > I just started to use Cream and I really liked it. The only thing that
> > > it looks weird is that CTRL+F4 closes the program while most of
> > > applications close a single file (or a single tab) rather than the
> > > whole application. Have you guys considered changing that?
> >
> > Anyone opposed to this? I would then re-map Alt+F4 to close the
> > application, although on Windows this happens already through the
> > window manager.
>
> I wouldn't mind.
>
> And I'm still hoping a solution will be found for Ctrl-o and Ctrl-w - I
> keep pressing them accidentally, and the fact that all other editors I'm
> using support them really prevents me from un-learning them.
>
> --
> Elias Pschernig <elias@...>
>
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On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 16:02 -0800, Igor Gatis wrote:
>
> Yep, Ctrl+O for opening files would be great.

Ok, we'll give it a shot.

Now in CVS is a version of Cream that maps Ctrl+O to File Open. The
keys Ctrl+B are remapped to do what Ctrl+O used to do (drop to Normal
Mode for one command).

Also new is Ctrl+F4 to Close a file and Alt+F4 to Exit.


> BTW (and this is really minor): editor does not close the last file
> opened (off course, it has to have something opened to stay up).
> Wouldn't be better to close last file by opening a new empty buffer?
> Sometimes you just want to close everything without existing the
> editor.

I don't see this, for me the menu item closes the last document and
leaves an Untitled buffer.


-- 
Steve Hall  [ digitect dancingpaper com ]
:: Cream... usability for Vim
::   http://cream.sourceforge.net

> (changes described)

Awesome!

> > BTW (and this is really minor): editor does not close the last file
> > opened (off course, it has to have something opened to stay up).
> > Wouldn't be better to close last file by opening a new empty buffer?
> > Sometimes you just want to close everything without existing the
> > editor.
>
> I don't see this, for me the menu item closes the last document and
> leaves an Untitled buffer.

If you use right click on the tab, it will give you an error:

E784: Cannot close last tab page.

Steve, when is the next release for Cream? I'd love to try these changes.

On Dec 4, 2007 10:12 PM, Igor Gatis <igorgatis@...> wrote:
> > (changes described)
>
> Awesome!
>
> > > BTW (and this is really minor): editor does not close the last file
> > > opened (off course, it has to have something opened to stay up).
> > > Wouldn't be better to close last file by opening a new empty buffer?
> > > Sometimes you just want to close everything without existing the
> > > editor.
> >
> > I don't see this, for me the menu item closes the last document and
> > leaves an Untitled buffer.
>
> If you use right click on the tab, it will give you an error:
>
> E784: Cannot close last tab page.
>

From: "Igor Gatis", Wed, December 05, 2007 1:12 am
> 
> > > BTW (and this is really minor): editor does not close the last file
> > > opened (off course, it has to have something opened to stay up).
> > > Wouldn't be better to close last file by opening a new empty buffer?
> > > Sometimes you just want to close everything without existing the
> > > editor.
> > 
> > I don't see this, for me the menu item closes the last document and
> > leaves an Untitled buffer.
> 
> If you use right click on the tab, it will give you an error:
> 
> E784: Cannot close last tab page.

Unfortunately, this is a Vim menu not a Cream one, so I'm unable to
fix or disable it. (I've asked on the Vim lists several times.)


-- 
Steve Hall  [ digitect dancingpaper com ]
:: Cream... usability for Vim
::   http://cream.sourceforge.net

From: "Igor Gatis", Wed, December 05, 2007 4:26 am
> 
> Steve, when is the next release for Cream? I'd love to try these
> changes.

Here's an alpha release package for testing purposes:

  http://downloads.sourceforge.net/cream/cream-0.40alpha_2007-12-05.zip?use_mirror=osdn

It includes a few bug fixes not yet reflected in CVS:

1. Missed the change in the typing tutor add-on.

2. Several functions use a Ctrl+B embedded into a string, which is not
   permissible with the re-map:

   * The Insert key mapping
   * Add-on mapping function
   * Part of the Home key mapping
   * Part of the PageUp key mapping
   * A command in a template function

   In quick testing thus far, simply replacing these with Ctrl-O seems
   to fix it, but more testing is necessary.

Please let me know of any instabilities you find.


-- 
Steve Hall  [ digitect dancingpaper com ]
:: Cream... usability for Vim
::   http://cream.sourceforge.net

Following up on this alpha, the embedded Ctrl+B/O in strings as discussed
below is still not fixed.


-- 
Steve Hall  [ digitect dancingpaper com ]
:: Cream... usability for Vim
::   http://cream.sourceforge.net

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [cream] CTRL+F4 shortcut
> From: Steve Hall <digitect@...>
> Date: Wed, December 05, 2007 7:48 am
> To: Igor Gatis <igorgatis@...>
> Cc: Elias Pschernig <elias@...>,  cream-general
> <cream-general@...>
> 
> From: "Igor Gatis", Wed, December 05, 2007 4:26 am
> > 
> > Steve, when is the next release for Cream? I'd love to try these
> > changes.
> 
> Here's an alpha release package for testing purposes:
> 
>   http://downloads.sourceforge.net/cream/cream-0.40alpha_2007-12-05.zip?use_mirror=osdn
> 
> It includes a few bug fixes not yet reflected in CVS:
> 
> 1. Missed the change in the typing tutor add-on.
> 
> 2. Several functions use a Ctrl+B embedded into a string, which is not
>    permissible with the re-map:
> 
>    * The Insert key mapping
>    * Add-on mapping function
>    * Part of the Home key mapping
>    * Part of the PageUp key mapping
>    * A command in a template function
> 
>    In quick testing thus far, simply replacing these with Ctrl-O seems
>    to fix it, but more testing is necessary.
> 
> Please let me know of any instabilities you find.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Steve Hall  [ digitect dancingpaper com ]
> :: Cream... usability for Vim
> ::   http://cream.sourceforge.net
> 
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