| From Martyn Shaw <martynshaw99@...>
| Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:56:19 +0000
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] new Windows 1.3.4rc0.3 installers
| Gale Andrews wrote:
| > | > I did also find a
| > | > replicable problem with SHIFT + RETURN (not with SHIFT + A):
| > | >
| <snipped out and re-inserted>
| * Generate 30 seconds tone
| * Zoom out or in
| Now every time you use SHIFT + RETURN it applies a zoom out or in according
| to which way you zoomed after generating the tone, in addition to stopping or
| </snipped out and re-inserted>
| > |
| > | Could it be a problem with the keyboard shortcut not working on
| > | windows? What happens if you assign a different keyboard shortcut?
| > |
| > | If a different keyboard shortcut works, let's just change it to a
| > | different keyboard shortcut. It's good to have a keyboard shortcut,
| > | even if it's obscure.
| I have tracked down what is going on. When you click 'zoom in' the button
| remains selected (dotted line around the '+' magnifier). Shift+Return is
| intercepted by AButton (as part of the accessibility work that Leland did back
| in 2005/6) and interpreted as a mouse click, hence zooming in. If you had
| undone something with the 'undo' button and then Shift+Return it would
| have undone something, etc.
| My conclusion? We must have a different keyboard shortcut for this as a
| matter of urgency.
| > It looks like yet another of these maddening inconsistencies. I was already
| > using default shortcuts, and SHIFT + RETURN was still creating the same
| > zoom problem. I tried CTRL + ALT + Spacebar for Play/StopAndSelect and
| > this performed properly, but so did SHIFT + RETURN when I changed that
| > back to be the hotkey.
| Perhaps you didn't have 'zoom' selected? Given what I've just said, this
| report does not make sense to me. Can you try that again?
I was not paying any attention to the selectedness of the zoom button, in fact
I do not often use it, preferring the hotkey. I can consistently get the
SHIFT + RETURN to zoom, providing I don't do anything else after zooming
before using SHIFT + RETURN. I would "imagine" that I clicked in the track
after using the zoom button, which deselects it, then SHIFT + RETURN creates
| > Some combination with spacebar would I think be
| > more intuitive anyway; do VI users really need CTRL + Spacebar for
| > "Toggle Focused Track" in addition to the two other keys already assigned
| > to this, or put it another way, do they need a key including spacebar?
| We need input from our VI users here.
| If I recall correctly, CTRL+Spacebar was chosen for "Toggle Focused Track"
| because of the analogy to what things like 'explorer' do with lists of files,
| what Thunderbird does with selecting email addresses etc etc. 'Return' and
| 'NUMPAD_ENTER' are treated the same by most users, I imagine, so
| they should usually have the same function.
| A possible alternative to Ctrl+Alt+Spacebar is Ctrl+Shift+Spacebar; slightly
| easier on the fingers?
Well... Explorer has to use CTRL + Spacebar because ENTER will open the
file. I don't really think a default three key combination is all that acceptable
for a hotkey that starts and stops playing. If we have to have one, I find
CTRL + ALT + Spacebar more comfortable myself with one hand than
CTRL + SHIFT + Spacebar. Another possibility for Play/Stop and Select (but
please let's consider changing the name) would be I think SHIFT + \ or
SHIFT + Z, which are more like the companion SHIFT + A for Stop and Select
(and closer to it physically so easier to associate with each other). However my
preference would still be to release CTRL + Spacebar unless it creates major
Outbound message virus free.
Tested on: 11/5/2007 4:23:20 AM