XQF

Jordi Mallach wrote:
> A few users are asking me to do backports of CVS into the ubuntu and
> debian packages. I wonder how far we are from a release, as it's so much
> convenient to just package that?

I want to release since about half a year but failed to actually do
it. There are still some patches that want to be reviewed and
integrated. Also launching Half-Life via Steam is broken and needs
to be fixed. Qstat got some internal changes and has probably
destabilized.

IMO instead of backporting anything just package CVS snapshots. If
you need a different xqf version number feel free to change the
fourth digit in configure.in.

cu
Ludwig

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Hey list,

Ludwig, it's been a long while since the last release. If we do one now,
it might just barely get in the new Debian release which is due out next
month and will be around for 1.5 years.

If I can help with this, tell me!

Jordi
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On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 10:47 +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Hey list,
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> Ludwig, it's been a long while since the last release. If we do one now,
> it might just barely get in the new Debian release which is due out next
> month and will be around for 1.5 years.
>=20
> If I can help with this, tell me!
>=20
> Jordi

Jordi,

Can I try and direct you in the direction of
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=3D9830226&forum_id=
=3D646 if you decide to include a patched 1.0.4 release in Etch?

In case it's not clear: You cannot play Half-Life or Half-Life 2 mods
online via Xqf right now, and haven't been able to since July 2004 (When
the old WON servers were disabled, forcing players to use Steam). My
patch *is* a little odd (and needs updating with the latest AppLaunch
values from the Valve wiki), but it does work.

--Jo Shields

Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Ludwig, it's been a long while since the last release. If we do one now,
> it might just barely get in the new Debian release which is due out next
> month and will be around for 1.5 years.

When is the deadline?

> If I can help with this, tell me!

Come here and keep standing behind me until the release is done ;-)

cu
Ludwig

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Jo Shields wrote:
> Can I try and direct you in the direction of
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9830226&forum_id=646 if you decide to include a patched 1.0.4 release in Etch?
> 
> In case it's not clear: You cannot play Half-Life or Half-Life 2 mods
> online via Xqf right now, and haven't been able to since July 2004 (When
> the old WON servers were disabled, forcing players to use Steam). My
> patch *is* a little odd (and needs updating with the latest AppLaunch
> values from the Valve wiki), but it does work.

Ah, I knew there was some pending item :-) I'd just release as is to
meet Jordis deadline.

cu
Ludwig

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Hey Ludwig!

On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 08:10:51PM +0200, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
> > Ludwig, it's been a long while since the last release. If we do one now,
> > it might just barely get in the new Debian release which is due out next
> > month and will be around for 1.5 years.
> When is the deadline?

Well, there's not a strict day. The relase team might freeze the release
at any time now, it should have happened already in fact. So, count that
it should be yesterday. Ie, ASAP.

> > If I can help with this, tell me!
> Come here and keep standing behind me until the release is done ;-)

I probably can't go all the way to Germany, but I can setup *annoying
cronjobs*. :)

Jordi
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On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 08:12:06PM +0200, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
> > In case it's not clear: You cannot play Half-Life or Half-Life 2 mods
> > online via Xqf right now, and haven't been able to since July 2004 (When
> > the old WON servers were disabled, forcing players to use Steam). My
> > patch *is* a little odd (and needs updating with the latest AppLaunch
> > values from the Valve wiki), but it does work.
> Ah, I knew there was some pending item :-) I'd just release as is to
> meet Jordis deadline.

Hmm. Do you think fixing this properly would take a long time? And if it
would, would you advise about releasing XQF as is now, but me adding the
cludgy patch for the Debian version?

Jordi
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Jordi Mallach wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 08:12:06PM +0200, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
> > > In case it's not clear: You cannot play Half-Life or Half-Life 2 mods
> > > online via Xqf right now, and haven't been able to since July 2004 (When
> > > the old WON servers were disabled, forcing players to use Steam). My
> > > patch *is* a little odd (and needs updating with the latest AppLaunch
> > > values from the Valve wiki), but it does work.
> > Ah, I knew there was some pending item :-) I'd just release as is to
> > meet Jordis deadline.
> 
> Hmm. Do you think fixing this properly would take a long time? And if it
> would, would you advise about releasing XQF as is now, but me adding the
> cludgy patch for the Debian version?

I don't know what's best. Maybe dropping HL support altogether is.
It requires special treatment due to wine anyways. The complicated
launching via steam and numeric argument depending on mod could be
done in a shell script just as well. I suppose that's what people
do.

cu
Ludwig

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Moin,

On Wednesday October 25 2006 21:26, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 08:12:06PM +0200, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
> > > In case it's not clear: You cannot play Half-Life or Half-Life 2 mods
> > > online via Xqf right now, and haven't been able to since July 2004
> > > (When the old WON servers were disabled, forcing players to use Steam).
> > > My patch *is* a little odd (and needs updating with the latest
> > > AppLaunch values from the Valve wiki), but it does work.
> >
> > Ah, I knew there was some pending item :-) I'd just release as is to
> > meet Jordis deadline.
>
> Hmm. Do you think fixing this properly would take a long time? And if it
> would, would you advise about releasing XQF as is now, but me adding the
> cludgy patch for the Debian version?

Staying with the current XQF is no option because it also lacks support for 
Warsow and (maybe?) other games as well. I'd rather see Steam support removed 
because the steam server-browser works well enough IMHO (otoh wine does not 
so I play hl2 on windows anyway).

Bye, Stefan aka mETz

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On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 09:58:52PM +0200, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
> > Hmm. Do you think fixing this properly would take a long time? And if it
> > would, would you advise about releasing XQF as is now, but me adding the
> > cludgy patch for the Debian version?
> I don't know what's best. Maybe dropping HL support altogether is.
> It requires special treatment due to wine anyways. The complicated
> launching via steam and numeric argument depending on mod could be
> done in a shell script just as well. I suppose that's what people
> do.

Dropping HL I leave it up to you. I've always used XQF for plain
QuakeForge gamin, so my opinion here is weak.

While a decision is taken, I guess I'd take the easy route, get a new
release as-it-is-now out, and patch it so the current HL works with
steam in Debian. I would go for a proper fix or removal after the
release, whatever you think is appropriate of course. I guess that if it
can be retained, that's a win for the people who are using HL.

Jordi
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:51:14 +0200, Stefan Gehn <sgehn@...> wrote:

> Staying with the current XQF is no option because it also lacks suppo=
rt for
> Warsow and (maybe?) other games as well.

I don't see anything missing with Warsow in XQF. It's working for me, i=
t even has its own icon. Can you see something missing?

Tomasz Kalkosi=F1ski aka SpOOnman

On Saturday October 28 2006 13:29, Tomasz Kalkosi=F1ski wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:51:14 +0200, Stefan Gehn <sgehn@...> wrote:
> > Staying with the current XQF is no option because it also lacks support
> > for Warsow and (maybe?) other games as well.
>
> I don't see anything missing with Warsow in XQF. It's working for me, it
> even has its own icon. Can you see something missing?

I was talking about the last official XQF release (1.0.4) which is what deb=
ian=20
users have to live with atm (i.e. I have no Warsow support in my XQF).

Summary: I prefer a new XQF release with steam-support being disabled over=
=20
staying with 1.0.4 for another day ;)

Bye, Stefan aka mETz
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:20:26 +0200, Stefan Gehn <sgehn@...> wrote:

> I was talking about the last official XQF release (1.0.4) which is wh=
at debian
> users have to live with atm (i.e. I have no Warsow support in my XQF)=
=2E

Ah yes, that's right. That was the reason I've moved do CVS version. Yo=
u're right.

Greetings,
Tomasz Kalkosi=C5=84ski aka SpOOnman

On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 03:20:26PM +0200, Stefan Gehn wrote:
> I was talking about the last official XQF release (1.0.4) which is what d=
ebian=20
> users have to live with atm (i.e. I have no Warsow support in my XQF).
>=20
> Summary: I prefer a new XQF release with steam-support being disabled ove=
r=20
> staying with 1.0.4 for another day ;)

The very reason I want 1.0.5. Ludwig, can we go ahead and release as-is?

Jordi
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