PyX

Hi Andrea,

On 03.12.04, Andrea Riciputi wrote:
> I had prepared and already submitted the Fink package for PyX 0.7 when 
> I realized that there are some problem with it. Many of these problems 
> have been discussed on the lists in the last days and Andre and Jörg 
> have submitted the required patches. The last problem that some Fink 
> users have made me aware of was related to the compilation of the FAQ. 
> They require tipa.sty that is not included in standard teTeX 
> distribution, letting me with only two solutions:
> 
> 1) don't compile FAQ file
> 
> 2) create a new Fink package for tipa and make Pyx Fink package depends 
> on it
> 
> Both solutions seem unsatisfactory to me, so I'm wondering if it should 
> be possible to make FAQ file not require tipa.sty (after all it is only 
> for 3 phonetic transliterations). Furthermore AFAIK all teTeX users 
> would experiment the same problem and they would be forced to install 
> tipa package or to download the FAQ.pdf file directly from PyX site.

I'll leave this decision up to Gert who maintains the FAQ.

> With this and all other issues arised in last days, are you considering 
> to release a bug-fix version of PyX within next days? If so I would 
> consider to wait until that version comes out to create the new Fink 
> package...

In principle, I would also like to release a new version, but I know
that André has a lot of work to do at the moment. In principle, I could
also prepare the release alone. But this may not be the best idea
because my PyX release experience lately became a little bit rusty.

Is there any deadline concerning a Fink release?

        Jörg

No, there is not any deadline. I wanted just to know because if the new=20=

release will come out in matter of months I can consider to create a=20
Fink package that includes all the patches (a sort of CVS snapshot),=20
but it would be very time consuming for me. On the other hand if the=20
new release will come out in a matter of days (or weeks) I can revert=20
Fink package to version 0.6.3 and wait for the new version. That's it.

Cheers,
   Andrea.

P.S.: I'll look forward for any comments from Gert about the FAQ.

On 3 Dec 2004, at 16:00, Joerg Lehmann wrote:

> In principle, I would also like to release a new version, but I know
> that Andr=E9 has a lot of work to do at the moment. In principle, I =
could
> also prepare the release alone. But this may not be the best idea
> because my PyX release experience lately became a little bit rusty.
>
> Is there any deadline concerning a Fink release?
>
>         J=F6rg

Hi,

> Both solutions seem unsatisfactory to me, so I'm wondering if it should=
=20
> be possible to make FAQ file not require tipa.sty (after all it is only=
=20
> for 3 phonetic transliterations). Furthermore AFAIK all teTeX users=20
> would experiment the same problem and they would be forced to install=20
> tipa package or to download the FAQ.pdf file directly from PyX site.

would three small png's which could be inserted as figures be an
option?

Best regards,
Gert

--=20
 Gert-Ludwig Ingold        email: Gert.Ingold@...
 Institut f=FCr Physik       Phone: +49-821-598-3234
 Universit=E4t Augsburg      Fax  : +49-821-598-3222
 D-86135 Augsburg          WWW  : http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/theo1/ingold
 Germany                   PGP  : 86FF5A93, key available from homepage

On 03.12.04, Andrea Riciputi wrote:
> No, there is not any deadline. I wanted just to know because if the new 
> release will come out in matter of months I can consider to create a 
> Fink package that includes all the patches (a sort of CVS snapshot), 
> but it would be very time consuming for me. On the other hand if the 
> new release will come out in a matter of days (or weeks) I can revert 
> Fink package to version 0.6.3 and wait for the new version. That's it.

I don't think there is any need to revert to an older version. IMHO, the
bugs which have shown up so far are all not critical. Concerning the
question of a 0.7.1 release, I think it's realistic that we'll prepare a
release within the next one or two weeks.

        Jörg

On 3 Dec 2004, at 16:32, Gert Ingold wrote:

> would three small png's which could be inserted as figures be an
> option?

If there is not any other "more" standard package to produce phonetic 
transliteration, the png solution it should be ok.

Andrea.

Hi,

> If there is not any other "more" standard package to produce phonetic
> transliteration, the png solution it should be ok.

tipa is usually considered to be *the* package for phonetic typesetting.
I will try to come up with a working png solution. (Andre, J=F6rg: do you
agree?)

Best regards,
Gert

--=20
 Gert-Ludwig Ingold        email: Gert.Ingold@...
 Institut f=FCr Physik       Phone: +49-821-598-3234
 Universit=E4t Augsburg      Fax  : +49-821-598-3222
 D-86135 Augsburg          WWW  : http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/theo1/ingold
 Germany                   PGP  : 86FF5A93, key available from homepage

Hi,

On 06.12.04, Gert Ingold wrote:
> > If there is not any other "more" standard package to produce phonetic
> > transliteration, the png solution it should be ok.
> 
> tipa is usually considered to be *the* package for phonetic typesetting.
> I will try to come up with a working png solution. (Andre, Jörg: do you
> agree?)

I totally agree. And I do not really like the idea to give up tipa due
to the dependency it creates for *building* a package. (I think the
final package would not need to have this dependency.) For the
official build as we distribute it on the PyX webpage (note that we
decided to skip distributing the compiled manual and faq within the
distribution to greatly reduce its memory footprint after some
discussion on this list or the users list -- I don't remember exactly)
I would like to keep the tipa solution.

However, I see the point of wanting a tipa-free ability to generate a
almost optimal form of the faq. There are two possibilities: allow for
a build by just skipping the phonetic transliterations or generate
png's (pdf's?) for the usecases we need and include it in the
distribution. The pdf-solution, when it's possible, might be a way to
completely remove the tipa dependency as soon as you have the pdf
snipplets, which we could include in the distribution. This might be a
way out of splitting the faq-generation into an full and a poor man's
solution. Somebody how wants to try whether this option is not just a
rash thought?


André

-- 
by  _ _      _    Dr. André Wobst
   / \ \    / )   wobsta@..., http://www.wobsta.de/
  / _ \ \/\/ /    PyX - High quality PostScript figures with Python & TeX
 (_/ \_)_/\_/           visit http://pyx.sourceforge.net/

Hi,

On 03.12.04, Andrea Riciputi wrote:
> >In principle, I would also like to release a new version, but I know
> >that André has a lot of work to do at the moment. In principle, I could
> >also prepare the release alone. But this may not be the best idea
> >because my PyX release experience lately became a little bit rusty.

While I was completely blocked during the last weeks due to some
conference organization and performing the copy deadline for the
abstract books (the conference consists of 6200+ contributions and the
conference booklet does actually consist of 5 parts), I see the end of
the work at the horizon and expect to get everything out to the print
office by the end of this week.

Thus I'm confident that I could spend some time in preparing 0.7.1
over the weekend or early next week. And I think it would be worth the
effort, since we accumulated some patches and we do have this missing
INDEX file issue in the current release (which was new in this
release). Although we managed to don't have some real show-stoppers in
the current release, a polishing release might be a good idea, since
it will take some time to work out some of the future goals to get a
real new release.

Could we summarize a bit, what we should take care off before
releasing? The tipa issue. Sure. Other things, which somebody has in
the queue? (I do have some enhancements of the pdfwriter in a private
development tree, which basically enhances the pdfwriter to what we
had in our first experiments in pdf writing (creating text etc.). I
could commit that, but it doesn't really matter. I didn't had time to
continue the development lately. In order to keep the release close to
what we had, I think its better to keep it off.)


André

-- 
by  _ _      _    Dr. André Wobst
   / \ \    / )   wobsta@..., http://www.wobsta.de/
  / _ \ \/\/ /    PyX - High quality PostScript figures with Python & TeX
 (_/ \_)_/\_/           visit http://pyx.sourceforge.net/

Hi,

On 06.12.04, Andre Wobst wrote:
> Could we summarize a bit, what we should take care off before
> releasing? The tipa issue. Sure. Other things, which somebody has in
> the queue?

I just realized that about a week ago somebody asked me for an example
on how to use error bars. I came up with a slightly modified version
of minimal.py. I just enclose it here. I'm not so sure whether its
worth to be included. I just don't have a clear feeling on the value
what this example has to a beginner. In principle I think we should
avoid to have several examples showing the same features ...

Comments?


André

-- 
by  _ _      _    Dr. André Wobst
   / \ \    / )   wobsta@..., http://www.wobsta.de/
  / _ \ \/\/ /    PyX - High quality PostScript figures with Python & TeX
 (_/ \_)_/\_/           visit http://pyx.sourceforge.net/

Hi,

> Thus I'm confident that I could spend some time in preparing 0.7.1
> over the weekend or early next week. And I think it would be worth the

ok, then I will try to come up with a solution for the faq beginning of
next week.

Best regards,
Gert

--=20
 Gert-Ludwig Ingold        email: Gert.Ingold@...
 Institut f=FCr Physik       Phone: +49-821-598-3234
 Universit=E4t Augsburg      Fax  : +49-821-598-3222
 D-86135 Augsburg          WWW  : http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/theo1/ingold
 Germany                   PGP  : 86FF5A93, key available from homepage

On 06.12.04, Andre Wobst wrote:

[ snip : André also wants to release PyX 0.7.1 ]

> Could we summarize a bit, what we should take care off before
> releasing? The tipa issue. Sure. 

If Gert wants to invest some time into this issue, fine. A positive
side-effect would be that I then could also build the FAQ on
standard Debian installations without having to worry about yet
another LaTeX package.

> Other things, which somebody has in
> the queue? (I do have some enhancements of the pdfwriter in a private
> development tree, which basically enhances the pdfwriter to what we
> had in our first experiments in pdf writing (creating text etc.). I
> could commit that, but it doesn't really matter. I didn't had time to
> continue the development lately. In order to keep the release close to
> what we had, I think its better to keep it off.)

This is definitely not something for this release. Nobody officially
knows about this functionality anyway, so why should we bother ;-)

        Jörg