Chris & Guillaume,
No, the Edit as Matrix solution would be very acceptable to me, now that
I see where the data is. Rosegarden is a little different than Pro Tools in
this respect. In Pro Tools the 'Matrix' (piano roll) is actually in the
track display itself, and there is a feature to make the track display
larger or smaller. You do all your matrix edits (note or velocity) in the
track display itself.
In Rosegarden we call up this extra window which gives us lots of good
info, which is cool, but requires another window to be open which sort of
clutters the screen. (A bit more like Logic) I personally like the Edit as
Matrix window since I think it can probably grow in functionality over time,
where as the 'Edit in Track' approach that Pro Tools uses is constantly
forcing you to make things first large and then small.
Now that you've shown me the MIDI velocity data, I have two comments:
1) How do I edit the velocity? Using the Transforms - Set Event Velocity
menu item? This seems very slow. I'd have to go through about 4 mouse clicks
to get in and out on a single note. For massive edits, which are often
required, this will be difficult and time consuming. I often play a part so
that the timing is right, but then need to edit the velocity of ALL of the
notes to work better with GigaStudio. How would I do thousands of edits with
the current system. Difficult.
2) If there are multiple notes at the same time (I.e. - chords) then what
does the velocity bar chart up above show? Again, editing will be difficult
I think.
If you wanted to think about approaching this problem somewhat like Pro
Tools, then what you would do would be to superimpose the velocity
information over the top of the piano roll. When editing notes you do not
see the velocity data at all. When editing velocity, you see the notes sort
of grayed out, and you see little vertical lines representing the MIDI
velocity of each note. There would be a little selection point (a small
circle or diamond) at the top of each line. Click on that selection point,
and then drag the velocity up and down to edit a single note's velocity.
While dragging there would be a little numeric pop up and show the value
right next to the selection point. Let go and the numeric goes away. If
there is a chord, then you see multiple little lines at the same location
with each little selection point representing each. I should be able to
click & drag a group of notes to select them all, and then drag them all up
and down together. Pro Tools does some form of scaling by percentage to that
all the notes go up 10% or down 7%. You could also allow them to all go up
and down by the same numeric amount if you wanted to.
In closing, I like the Edit as Matrix a lot. I'd like to see some serious
thought given to editing massive amounts of data in the window.
Thanks for you help,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: rosegarden-user-admin@...
[mailto:rosegarden-user-admin@... Behalf Of Chris
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Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:08 AM
To: Guillaume Laurent
Cc: rosegarden-user@...
Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Viewing MIDI Velocity
Guillaume Laurent wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 October 2002 16:49, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> If either of these is not available, I'd like to enter them as
>> feature requests.
>
> I thnk you can go ahead, at least for the last one (drawing tracks
> taller). I'd rather let Rich confirm the 1st one though.
Although I am not he, I can confirm that you can't view velocity
data in the main segment window, if that's what you're asking --
only in the velocity ruler at the top of each matrix window, or
in the raw event list.
How do you want to view it? I mean, how do you want to choose to
view it instead of (or as well as?) pitch/duration data, and how
do you expect it to look? The actual rendering is probably
pretty trivial, I imagine the various bits of supporting GUI
might take a bit more work.
Chris
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