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> Anyway, I tried E16 for a while recently.  Having an
> fvwm setup tuned over years of use, there are certain
> features that I have become very accustomed to, and
> I don't think they'd be all that hard to `fix':

Can you code ?? :-)

I'm pretty sure that no one is "working" on or developing
anything related to E16 anymore. I've seen people submit
patches and they will accept and apply them (assuming they
work). The public would need to use the cvs version of e16 for
the time being in order to see your changes though. We've been
at v0.16.5 for a looooooong time.

Oh yeah, in case any web developers read this, E's website
says this on the main page:

"Currently, for support, you have three options: talking to
developers and users on irc (for E 0.16.6 ONLY, #E on
irc.openprojects.net)"

E v0.16.6 ???


Regards
Hall

> "Currently, for support, you have three options: talking to
> developers and users on irc (for E 0.16.6 ONLY, #E on
> irc.openprojects.net)"
> 
> E v0.16.6 ???

Yeah, it says so on the front page of enlightenment.org

I have mentioned it on #e ...

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Sam Vilain wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Don't know if this is relevant to E17; I couldn't get any sensible
> behaviour at all from the current head cvs version; the setup program just
> hung with a spinning E logo, and running e17 directly I couldn't get
> things like the pager to come up.
> 

Yes, it's cvs.  You have it working as much as it does without manual
setup.


> Anyway, I tried E16 for a while recently.  Having an fvwm setup tuned over
> years of use, there are certain features that I have become very
> accustomed to, and I don't think they'd be all that hard to `fix':
> 
>    - There is a `Raise' and a `Lower', but no `RaiseLower', which works
>      like `Raise' but sends the window to the back if it's already at the
>      front.
> 

How about:
bring to front   Ctl-Alt-up-arrow
send to back     Ctl-Alt-down-arrow

I'm surpised you didn't see them in e16keyedit, although I've never
changed them from the defaults AFAIK.


>    - Mouse actions are not selectable with e16keyedit; I notice that
>      alt-left click moves a window, but I want to define alt+right click
>      to resize.  Currently the only way I can see to do this is by hacking
>      the theme files.  And the theme format is U G L Y, like a bad C
>      preprocessor nightmare.  So you can't possibly mean users to edit it.
> 
>    - If you were to add another column to the key binding menu, `context',
>      then you could have all of the mouse window actions user-definable.
>      In fvwm, valid contexts are: Root, Window (ie, the body of the app),
>      Titlebar, and each button has its own context.  This might need some
>      tweaking to work with themes, to define how you refer to the buttons.
> 
>    - the pager could display window names when it's not working in
>      snapshot mode in the pager itself.  It should also not try to display
>      `sticky' windows.
> 
> /me hopes he hasn't struck any old flamewar nerves...
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Kevin Brosius <cobra@...> wrote:

> > hung with a spinning E logo, and running e17 directly I couldn't
> > get things like the pager to come up.
> Yes, it's cvs.  You have it working as much as it does without
> manual setup.

Er, any hints?  :-) Can I copy my e16 files one by one, or has the
format completely changed?  Some semi-working example configs perhaps?

I'll have another crack at it, and see which (if any) of my comments
apply to e17.

> How about:
> bring to front   Ctl-Alt-up-arrow
> send to back     Ctl-Alt-down-arrow
> I'm surpised you didn't see them in e16keyedit, although I've never
> changed them from the defaults AFAIK.

Such a simple window manipulation deserves a whole key to the task
IMHO.  Clearly the designers of Sun workstations agree.  It's a simple
`shove' of the window, either `come ere!' or `be gone!'.  Ctrl+Alt+Up
is just too many keys.

Try it for yourself - see how nice it feels:

xmodmap -e 'remove Lock = Caps_Lock
            remove Control = Control_L
            keysym Control_L = SunFront
            keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
            add Lock = Caps_Lock
            add Control = Control_L      '

Assuming I've not made a silly mistake this will turn your caps lock
into a Control (it's better on your wrists to have it there, trust me)
and your Control key into a `SunFront' key, which you can bind to the
Window_Raise_Lower command.  Window selection is much faster; it's
like you just look at a window and it comes to you.  I usually just
end up thumping the key with my hand :-)

Anyway, this is moot for e17 because it has the Window_Raise_Lower
command.
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Supervisee : Yes.

"Geoff Harrison (Mandrake)" <mandrake@...> wrote:

> > Anyway, this is moot for e17 because it has the Window_Raise_Lower
> > command.
> actually so did e16.
> it's just that I preferred using ctrl-alt-up / down so there isn't a
> default combination for it.

Yeh?  Is it just missing an entry in e16/e16keyedit/viewer.c then?  Or is it called something different that I can't see right now?
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 03:29:42PM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote:
> Yeh?  Is it just missing an entry in e16/e16keyedit/viewer.c then?  Or is it called something different that I can't see right now?

well, I'm looking at definitions and I see...

#define __A_RAISE_LOWER 87

and I see in e/src/actions.c :

actions.c:doRaiseLower(void *params)

so... :)

whether or not I put stuff in the keybindings editor I don't recall.

-Mandrake (still from work)

"Geoff Harrison (Mandrake)" <mandrake@...> wrote:

> > Yeh?  Is it just missing an entry in e16/e16keyedit/viewer.c then?  Or
> >  is it called something different that I can't see right now?
> well, I'm looking at definitions and I see...
> #define __A_RAISE_LOWER 87
> and I see in e/src/actions.c :
> actions.c:doRaiseLower(void *params)
> 
> so... :)
> 
> whether or not I put stuff in the keybindings editor I don't recall.

Excellent, I tried the first Ook attempt at fixing it, and it worked!
:-)

Although sometimes I seem to have to press it twice to send an active
window back.  Maybe there's some overlapping quirk happening.  /me
cares not.

===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/enlightenment/e16/e16keyedit/viewer.c,v
retrieving revision 1.19
diff -u -r1.19 viewer.c
--- viewer.c    23 Mar 2000 01:13:21 -0000      1.19
+++ viewer.c    31 Jul 2002 15:20:58 -0000
@@ -97,6 +97,7 @@
 
        {"Raise Window", 5, 0, NULL},
        {"Lower Window", 6, 0, NULL},
+       {"Raise / Lower Window", 87, 0, NULL},
        {"Close Window", 13, 0, NULL},
        {"Annihilate Window", 14, 0, NULL},
        {"Stick / Unstick Window", 20, 0, NULL},

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Sam Vilain said:
> Kevin Brosius <cobra@...> wrote:
>
>> > hung with a spinning E logo, and running e17 directly I couldn't get
>> > things like the pager to come up.
>> Yes, it's cvs.  You have it working as much as it does without
>> manual setup.
>
> Er, any hints?  :-) Can I copy my e16 files one by one, or has the
> format completely changed?  Some semi-working example configs perhaps?
>
> I'll have another crack at it, and see which (if any) of my comments
> apply to e17.
>

The format has completly changed, and really there aren't any config files
as of yet. All you can really do for now is make some pretty icons on your
desktop, make/install themes, change the background, and use an iconbar.
As for the pretty icons, just do:
mkdir -p ~/.e/desktop/default
ln -s ~ ~/.e/desktop/default/Home

Those two lines will create an icon on your desktop for your home
directory. To be able to use your own background, you need to use ebony to
create your own background.db. Once you've done that, copy that
background.db to ~/.e/desktop/default/.e_layout/. As for the iconbar and
themes, it's a little harder to explain, but just search the list
archives. There's been many discussions on it. You can also check out
http://www.cuddletech.com/e17 for more help with themes, backgrounds,
iconbars, etcher, etc. Hope this helped!
>> How about:
>> bring to front   Ctl-Alt-up-arrow
>> send to back     Ctl-Alt-down-arrow
>> I'm surpised you didn't see them in e16keyedit, although I've never
>> changed them from the defaults AFAIK.
>
> Such a simple window manipulation deserves a whole key to the task
> IMHO.  Clearly the designers of Sun workstations agree.  It's a simple
> `shove' of the window, either `come ere!' or `be gone!'.  Ctrl+Alt+Up
> is just too many keys.
>
> Try it for yourself - see how nice it feels:
>
> xmodmap -e 'remove Lock = Caps_Lock
>            remove Control = Control_L
>            keysym Control_L = SunFront
>            keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
>            add Lock = Caps_Lock
>            add Control = Control_L      '
>
> Assuming I've not made a silly mistake this will turn your caps lock
> into a Control (it's better on your wrists to have it there, trust me)
> and your Control key into a `SunFront' key, which you can bind to the
> Window_Raise_Lower command.  Window selection is much faster; it's like
> you just look at a window and it comes to you.  I usually just end up
> thumping the key with my hand :-)
>
> Anyway, this is moot for e17 because it has the Window_Raise_Lower
> command.
> --
>   Sam Vilain, sam@...     WWW: http://sam.vilain.net/
>    7D74 2A09 B2D3 C30F F78E      GPG: http://sam.vilain.net/sam.asc
>    278A A425 30A9 05B5 2F13
>
> Overheard at a supervision :
> Supervisor : Do you think you understand the basic ideas of Quantum
> 	     Mechanics ?
> Supervisee : Ah! Well,what do we mean by "to understand" in the context
>      	     of Quantum Mechanics?
> Supervisor : You mean"No",don't you?
> Supervisee : Yes.
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Hensley
<hensleyrob@...>

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:42:26 +0100 Sam Vilain <sam@...> babbled:

> Hi there,
> 
> Don't know if this is relevant to E17; I couldn't get any sensible
> behaviour at all from the current head cvs version; the setup program just
> hung with a spinning E logo, and running e17 directly I couldn't get
> things like the pager to come up.

yup... its nowhere even close to complete. think of it as a big test suite for
the libraries underneath, and not a wm :)

> Anyway, I tried E16 for a while recently.  Having an fvwm setup tuned over
> years of use, there are certain features that I have become very
> accustomed to, and I don't think they'd be all that hard to `fix':
> 
>    - There is a `Raise' and a `Lower', but no `RaiseLower', which works
>      like `Raise' but sends the window to the back if it's already at the
>      front. 

there is one.. :) u just need to hunt a bit :)

>    - Mouse actions are not selectable with e16keyedit; I notice that
>      alt-left click moves a window, but I want to define alt+right click
>      to resize.  Currently the only way I can see to do this is by hacking
>      the theme files.  And the theme format is U G L Y, like a bad C
>      preprocessor nightmare.  So you can't possibly mean users to edit it.

yeah.. but they are configurable anyway-just no nice gui.. i know - for e17 i
want everything configurable via a gui :) no more obscure back-end configs.
everything will have a gui option somewhere :)

>    - If you were to add another column to the key binding menu, `context',
>      then you could have all of the mouse window actions user-definable. 
>      In fvwm, valid contexts are: Root, Window (ie, the body of the app),
>      Titlebar, and each button has its own context.  This might need some
>      tweaking to work with themes, to define how you refer to the buttons.
> 
>    - the pager could display window names when it's not working in
>      snapshot mode in the pager itself.  It should also not try to display
>      `sticky' windows.

could - but it already does mouseover window names - and names in the windows
just never fit - they're too small :)

> /me hopes he hasn't struck any old flamewar nerves...
> --
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>     278A A425 30A9 05B5 2F13
> 
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> special case.
>  - anon.
> 
> 
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