>>When you're considering XUL as a client interface language you're most
>>naturally a priory fixed to the gecko platform since no other platform
>>supports XUL ;)
> This is not a problem for me as I believe IE is essentially a dead product.
> Most people just don't know it yet.
And a very buggy one too. Just had a close encounter of the stupid kind
with IE/Win (not Mac): just try to do a form submit into a new window
using target="_blank" and use the POST method for that - you won't see
any form variables arrive in the freshly created window. method="GET" on
the other hand works "as expected" ;)
> I find it relatively easy to sell users
> on the idea of installing a Mozilla based browser as I stress that it is a
> deployment platform which just happens to have a browser thrown in for free.
> People install all manner of plugins with IE, many that are larger than
> Firefox, so it is not a hard sell.
Yes. And _when_ at lelast installing some Firefox plugin you're able at
any point in the future to uninstall it. You have _control_ about your
> Of course the fact that it is cross
> platform, free, standards compliant, and feature complete helps.
That's what counts for me: I'm using Linux, Windows and Mac boxes in
parallel and need the essential software (mailer, browser, office) to be
available on any of these platforms. I had years of "I have to switch to
the win box to write this letter and then switch to the linux box to
look for the customer data" ...
> Now if we
> could only get the clueless webmasters who insist on IE or nothing to support
> standards based browsers like Moz, we would be laughing. One step at a time I
Part of my business is to develope modules for a web shop software (in
PHP I have to admit - I'm thinking about a concept for a lean webware
shopping software ..). The vendor of this software only supports IE/Win
for the admin backend. I've been told that's "by design" ... "We don't
want customers who insist on using free software. They probably don't
want to pay for the shop" *argh*
Someone at least has told him, it's about quality, not free beer. So the
next version will support gecko based browsers *sigh*
> I *think* it supports IE too but that was not important for me. Thanks for the
> references above.
Since the open source browsers are the ones introducing innovations
(like XUL) into the web community I also tend to that opinion more and
more. One large german car rental company has just switched their whole
intranet from a painful asp/html solution to php/xul. A large effort but
it was worth the work because of the reliability and comfort.
> Incidentally, I drove through Aachen when I got lost on the way to a
> conference in Valkenburg and overshot the exit. I've seen more of Europe by
> getting lost than any deliberate action:)
Valkenburg? A nice city with a nice irish pub ;)
If you've got lost that often you should find a like-minded guy in Ken
Coar (VP ASF). I remember his funny stories about getting lost in Zurich
when trying to reach the LinuxTag in Karlsruhe (also to be found in his
blog http://ken.coar.org/burrow/). ;)
Dr. Volker Göbbels vmg@...
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