Webware for Python

On Feb 23, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Dan Milstein wrote:

> How goes getting out the next release?

I made a stab at it a couple of weeks ago. Being new to the procedure 
and the cvs, I didn't tag the build so I would say "not fast" is the 
answer to your question. Essentially, I am still at step one, except 
that I have walked the procedure with the cvs.

It may be that with all the rest that has been going on, it might be 
worthwhile to make another run at it at some date in the not too 
distant future. Like Friday?

What do you all think?

Mark Phillips
Mophilly & Associates
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:52:21 -0800, Mark Phillips wrote:
>=A0What do you all think?

Using CVS today was so unbelievably slow that I'm thinking we should move to=
 Subversion before we do anything.

-Chuck

Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
> Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
> 
>>A "cvs update" is taking several minutes (and still running). Anyone
>>else having this problem? 
> 
> 
> I've had that problem often, I would say just about every time I've used
> SourceForge CVS in the last month or two.

SF CVS kind of sucks.  Well, "kind of" is a bit of an understatement. 
There remains the option of moving to w4py's svn server, or ask 
python-hosting.com to host a subversion repository (they'd might be able 
to maintain it a bit better than we could, and they advertise free svn 
and Trac hosting to Python projects).

-- 
Ian Bicking  /  ianb@...  /  http://blog.ianbicking.org

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:20:15 -0600, Ian Bicking wrote:
>=A0Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
>>=A0Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
>>
>>>=A0A "cvs update" is taking several minutes (and still running).
>>>=A0Anyone else having this problem?
>>
>>=A0I've had that problem often, I would say just about every time
>>=A0I've used SourceForge CVS in the last month or two.
>
>=A0SF CVS kind of sucks. =A0Well, "kind of" is a bit of an
>=A0understatement. There remains the option of moving to w4py's svn
>=A0server, or ask python-hosting.com to host a subversion repository
>=A0(they'd might be able to maintain it a bit better than we could,
>=A0and they advertise free svn and Trac hosting to Python projects).

Okay, it's definitely time to move. Besides the past couple of months, SF=
 has had CVS problems at other times as well.

I have a preference for svn over cvs, but could live with cvs if developers=
 demand it. Although it sounds like Ian prefers svn, so that makes 2 of us.

I don't have a preference for where it's hosted as long as it works. If we=
 used w4py's server, who would maintain it? In other words, who would be the=
 svn admin?

Also, would non-developers still get anon access?

-Chuck

Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
>> SF CVS kind of sucks.  Well, "kind of" is a bit of an 
>> understatement. There remains the option of moving to w4py's svn 
>> server, or ask python-hosting.com to host a subversion repository 
>> (they'd might be able to maintain it a bit better than we could, 
>> and they advertise free svn and Trac hosting to Python projects).
> 
> 
> Okay, it's definitely time to move. Besides the past couple of
> months, SF has had CVS problems at other times as well.
> 
> I have a preference for svn over cvs, but could live with cvs if
> developers demand it. Although it sounds like Ian prefers svn, so
> that makes 2 of us.
> 
> I don't have a preference for where it's hosted as long as it works.
> If we used w4py's server, who would maintain it? In other words, who
> would be the svn admin?

"We" would, for some value of "we".  I've got it set up now on 
http://svn.w4py.org, so a fair amount of the management is just Apache 
management (e.g., user accounts).  Hopefully it won't require much 
maintenance; generally I've had good luck as long as I don't try to 
point two services at the same repository (e.g., Trac or ViewCVS and 
Apache), though even that seems to work better than it used to 
(especially if they all run as the same user).

We have root on that machine; I'm not sure who all is active (for some 
value of "active") in maintenance... right now Jason, myself, and Chuck 
have sudo access to root, and Eric has access to the Webware user.  We 
can also expand that easily enough.

> Also, would non-developers still get anon access?

Yes, it's set up that way by default.  You can also use standard Apache 
access rules to give access just to subtrees.

-- 
Ian Bicking  /  ianb@...  /  http://blog.ianbicking.org

Just my $.02: the folks at python-hosting are great -- I've got a 
Webware/svn set up with them, and they've been a pleasure to deal with.

-Dan Milstein

Ian Bicking wrote:
> Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
> 
>> Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
>>
>>> A "cvs update" is taking several minutes (and still running). Anyone
>>> else having this problem? 
>>
>>
>>
>> I've had that problem often, I would say just about every time I've used
>> SourceForge CVS in the last month or two.
> 
> 
> SF CVS kind of sucks.  Well, "kind of" is a bit of an understatement. 
> There remains the option of moving to w4py's svn server, or ask 
> python-hosting.com to host a subversion repository (they'd might be able 
> to maintain it a bit better than we could, and they advertise free svn 
> and Trac hosting to Python projects).
>

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:38:32 -0600, Ian Bicking wrote:
>>=A0I don't have a preference for where it's hosted as long as it
>>=A0works. If we used w4py's server, who would maintain it? In other
>>=A0words, who would be the svn admin?
>
>=A0"We" would, for some value of "we". =A0I've got it set up now on
>=A0http://svn.w4py.org, so a fair amount of the management is just
>=A0Apache management (e.g., user accounts). =A0Hopefully it won't
>=A0require much maintenance; generally I've had good luck as long as I
>=A0don't try to point two services at the same repository (e.g., Trac
>=A0or ViewCVS and Apache), though even that seems to work better than
>=A0it used to (especially if they all run as the same user).
>
>=A0We have root on that machine; I'm not sure who all is active (for
>=A0some value of "active") in maintenance... right now Jason, myself,
>=A0and Chuck have sudo access to root, and Eric has access to the
>=A0Webware user. =A0We can also expand that easily enough.
>
>>=A0Also, would non-developers still get anon access?
>>
>=A0Yes, it's set up that way by default. =A0You can also use standard
>=A0Apache access rules to give access just to subtrees.

Okay. I have some minor experience with svn admin although I did the=
 straight svn server instead of Apache.

Do any of the other developers object to us moving to Subversion? How long=
 do people need to get their outstanding changes in?

-Chuck

Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
> Do any of the other developers object to us moving to Subversion?

I say go for it.  I have no outstanding changes.

- Geoff

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:23:37 -0600, Ian Bicking wrote:
>=A0This library gives debugging information on wedged threads:
>
>=A0http://www.majid.info/mylos/stories/2004/06/10/threadframe.html
>
>=A0This of course could be very useful for us, or at least very useful
>=A0to suggest to people who have these problems (which are hard for us
>=A0to help them with).

Thanks for the tip.

Btw I restart my app server each night via cron, unless it's a really simple=
 application. This saves me the time of diagnosing any bugs that only show=
 up after 24 hours of usage. I'd rather use that time for new features.

-Chuck