Vim documentation Chinese version

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:32:28 +0800, "Alecs K." <Alecs@...>
said:
> 
> > 1. Is there a way to synchronize the CVS and WiKi pages automatically?
> >    From both sides?
> 
> No.

:-(

> As for 'who', you can 'sign in' before you start to edit.

Is anybody doing this? Do translators have to register again?

> 
> Well, wiki is a thing meant to be open. And i make our wiki as open as
> possible. Anonymous edit allowed everywhere. 
Sounds like you are planning to use wiki as a scratch pad or something.
So there is actually no need to keep the wiki pages synchronized with
CVS. The official documents would be whatever in the CVS and the
generated 
html version. Am I getting the wrong idea?

> 
> FYI, our wiki has since been working pretty fine. Some guy has
> translated 'if_perl.txt' and another guy has started to work
> on 'visual.txt'. Not 'small changes', huh? So we can invite them to join
> in as core translators (with cvs committing permisson).
Fantasitic! Do we know who they are? (Maybe they are one of us?)
One more question, is there a way for people to get notification about
changes in WiKi pages, like the cvs-commit mailing list?

Rgds,


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On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:57:52 -0800
"Simon Liang" <wzhliang@...> wrote:


> > As for 'who', you can 'sign in' before you start to edit.
> 
> Is anybody doing this? Do translators have to register again?

No, you dont have to.

> 
> > 
> > Well, wiki is a thing meant to be open. And i make our wiki as open
> > as possible. Anonymous edit allowed everywhere. 
> Sounds like you are planning to use wiki as a scratch pad or
> something. So there is actually no need to keep the wiki pages
> synchronized with CVS. The official documents would be whatever in the
> CVS and the generated 
> html version. 

Exactly.

> 
> > 
> > FYI, our wiki has since been working pretty fine. Some guy has
> > translated 'if_perl.txt' and another guy has started to work
> > on 'visual.txt'. Not 'small changes', huh? So we can invite them to
> > join in as core translators (with cvs committing permisson).
> Fantasitic! Do we know who they are? (Maybe they are one of us?)

They left their emails there in the translated doc and i dont think they
are one of us _yet_. :-)

> One more question, is there a way for people to get notification about
> changes in WiKi pages, like the cvs-commit mailing list?
> 

Unfortunately, no.
http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/PageChangeNotification

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> 
> They left their emails there in the translated doc and i dont think they
> are one of us _yet_. :-)

Shall we ask them to join us or is it too early? You see without
automatic 
notification, it is hard to judge how active they are. I didn't even know
they exist if not for you to tell me. This is unfortunate really. I think
having to go to the webpage to check everthing out is kinda pain and 
less effective. ps. RSS is greate. Maybe we will wait until they finish
those documents. I think WiKi is still handy thoug right because it is 
'open'. We can do review and polishing right there.


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> 
> > One more question, is there a way for people to get notification about
> > changes in WiKi pages, like the cvs-commit mailing list?
> > 
> 
> Unfortunately, no.
> http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/PageChangeNotification

hmmmm I just found out that this page
   http://vcd.cosoft.org.cn/pwiki/index.php/RecentChanges
has a 'RSS' link. Is there a way we can make use of this? How 
does that link get setup wandys?



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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:08:55 -0800
"Simon Liang" <wzhliang@...> wrote:

> > 
> > They left their emails there in the translated doc and i dont think
> > they are one of us _yet_. :-)
> 
> Shall we ask them to join us or is it too early? 

Um.. Wait and see if they are as active. Anyway, they can actively
join us if they want to devote more.

>You see without
> automatic 
> notification, it is hard to judge how active they are. I didn't even
> know they exist if not for you to tell me. This is unfortunate really.
> I think having to go to the webpage to check everthing out is kinda
> pain and less effective. 

A little bit. But dont have to check much often.

> ps. RSS is greate. Maybe we will wait until
> they finish those documents. I think WiKi is still handy thoug right
> because it is 'open'. We can do review and polishing right there.
> 

Yes. That's what it's meant to be.

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:21:43 -0800
"Simon Liang" <wzhliang@...> wrote:


> hmmmm I just found out that this page
>    http://vcd.cosoft.org.cn/pwiki/index.php/RecentChanges
> has a 'RSS' link. Is there a way we can make use of this? '

Not that i know of.

>How does that link get setup wandys?

It's all set up automatically by the wiki itself.. 

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:01:06 +0800, "Alecs K." <Alecs@...>
said:

> 
> >How does that link get setup wandys?
> 
> It's all set up automatically by the wiki itself.. 

hmmmm. All I got from that link is garbage, which should be a XML file.
:(


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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:22:56 +0800, con@... said:
> hello all, 
> 
>   sorry for my rudeness,
Not at all. It's not like the whole world has subscribed
anyway. :-)


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on Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:01:16 -0800 
"Simon Liang" <wzhliang@...> wrote:

> Anybody a Debian user here? 

I am. ^_^ What's up?

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:56:13 +0800, "James He" <icrazy@...> said:
> 
> > Anybody a Debian user here? 
> 
> I am. ^_^ What's up?

:-)

I thought you were a BSD head. Anyways,
Back in several month, somebody complained that our install script
doesn't work for Debian because Debian gzipped those documents. First
of all, is this true for you? Second, I've made some effort to accomodate
this but I can only emulate the enviroment and would like some debian
user to test it. Would you be up for it?

Rgds,


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on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:56:18 -0800 
"Simon Liang" <wzhliang@...> wrote:

> I thought you were a BSD head. Anyways,
> Back in several month, somebody complained that our install script
> doesn't work for Debian because Debian gzipped those documents. First
> of all, is this true for you? Second, I've made some effort to accomodate
> this but I can only emulate the enviroment and would like some debian
> user to test it. Would you be up for it?

I tested the install script and it works all right in my Debian sid(unstable) box.
However, in a Debian Woody box, it does have some problems.

In Debian Woody(stable), the vim(ver 6.1) docs are originally provided in forms of .txt.gz
After we install our chinese docs, vim still load those English versions.
The reason is that the file ``tags'' is built with those .txt.gz filenames.

FYI,
the output of `ls -l`
(those .txt files are installed by our install script)
[snip]
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         6.1k Mar 25 19:32 gui_w16.txt
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         3.1k Apr 15  2002 gui_w16.txt.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root          15k Mar 25 19:32 gui_w32.txt
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         7.0k Apr 15  2002 gui_w32.txt.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root          15k Mar 25 19:32 gui_x11.txt
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         8.5k Apr 15  2002 gui_x11.txt.gz
[/snip]

the output of `cat tags`
[snip]
!       change.txt.gz   /*!*
!!      change.txt.gz   /*!!*
#       pattern.txt.gz  /*#*
$       motion.txt.gz   /*$*
$HOME   options.txt.gz  /*$HOME*
[/snip]

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:40:50 +0800, "James He" <icrazy@...> said:
> 
> I tested the install script and it works all right in my Debian
> sid(unstable) box.
> However, in a Debian Woody box, it does have some problems.

Yes. Now, I've checked in a new version of the script into CVS. If you
can do an update and check if it works on the Woody box, that would be
greate. Read the comments at the top for information.

Thanks



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on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:07:02 -0800 
"Simon Liang" <wzhliang@...> wrote:

> Yes. Now, I've checked in a new version of the script into CVS. If you
> can do an update and check if it works on the Woody box, that would be
> greate. Read the comments at the top for information.

Sorry for my mistake. The original install script does not work properly
in Debian sid, too.

I checked the new install script and found out you had not taken ``:helpt''
into thought. Unless ``:helpt <dir>'' is done in vim can vimcdoc work. ^_^

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:15:18 +0800, "James He" <icrazy@...> said:
> I checked the new install script and found out you had not taken
> ``:helpt''
> into thought. Unless ``:helpt <dir>'' is done in vim can vimcdoc work.
> ^_^

hmmm. You mean can ':helpt <dir>' take care of gzipped files? I don't
fully
understand.


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on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:15:18 +0800 
James He <icrazy@...> wrote:

> I checked the new install script and found out you had not taken ``:helpt''
> into thought. Unless ``:helpt <dir>'' is done in vim can vimcdoc work. ^_^

I found that the cmd ``:helpt'' is not necessary.
We can remove the line ``gunzip help.txt.gz'' from the install script to 
solve this problem because the other tags remain the same. ;-)

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:27:56 +0800, "James He" <icrazy@...> said:
> I found that the cmd ``:helpt'' is not necessary.
> We can remove the line ``gunzip help.txt.gz'' from the install script to 
> solve this problem because the other tags remain the same. ;-)

Will Vim find the 'help.txt' instead of the 'help.txt.gz' file
automatically?
In fact, whatever works for you would be enough. The rest of us don't
have
anything to test with. So if you feel happy, make the chage and check-in.

Thanks,


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on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:25:41 -0800 
"Simon Liang" <wzhliang@...> wrote:

> hmmm. You mean can ':helpt <dir>' take care of gzipped files? I don't
> fully
> understand.

My mistake, again! :-(
I gunzipped all the doc files and run ``:helpt <dir>''--which is not 
necessary. Using the install script is enough.

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on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:32:53 -0800 
"Simon Liang" <wzhliang@...> wrote:

> Will Vim find the 'help.txt' instead of the 'help.txt.gz' file
> automatically?

I've been confused: Debian woody use 'help.txt.gz' by default
and Debian sid usd 'help.txt' by default. I didn't figure it our just now.

> In fact, whatever works for you would be enough. The rest of us don't
> have anything to test with. So if you feel happy, make the chage and check-in.

Okay. Changes have been made and the file checked in.
Thx to lang2!

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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:02:15 +0800, "Alecs K." <Alecs@...>
said:
> I just did some web search for making our pdf version of the User
> Manual, only to find this:
> 
> http://www.uplinux.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=10090&sid=W2hJq537
> 
> You wont believe this but somebody just had already done the translation
> of the User Manual before (or while?) we were doing all this stuff. It's
> just.. totally..amazingly incredible...

Amazing indeed. And admirable. We accumulated 10 odd people and spent
over 
12 month for just about the same thing and maybe in some area, worse. 
However, given the number of people in China, this is not totally
suprising.
I wouldn't be suprised if there are more of this kinda effor somewhere.
But
going this far takes a lot of effort and is truely respectable.

We would have been much better if we knew this earlier (much ealier).
There
is one thing that I think we did right: openess. Let people know we are
doing it and let people join us (hopefully). 

I'd say it is too late now for the two thing to be incorporated.
This isn't the same as we did in the beginning of the project when we
merged with ken_lee (thanks again to wandys). Actually, I more or less 
think this is normal and they scratch different itch. Our stuff can be
used as online help and we have more coverage (much more actually). I 
think we did a greate job to do that. Of course we can make pdf version 
of the user manual as well but it would still be feeding a different
need.
One greate thing about Linux and open source is choice. Then let there be
choice for Vim document translation as well.

Anyway, I'd say we continue whatever we are doing and do it well. Let
there
be debate if needed.

ps. If most of us agree with me, there is no need to host this file (no 
offense, it is a very good file) on our site. 


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On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:52:22 -0800
"Simon Liang" <wzhliang@...> wrote:


> 
> Amazing indeed. And admirable. We accumulated 10 odd people and spent
> over 
> 12 month for just about the same thing and maybe in some area, worse. 

Well, some guy joined and has since kept silient. Active members are
about 5 ppl.

> There
> is one thing that I think we did right: openess. Let people know we
> are doing it and let people join us (hopefully). 

Yes. We've been so open rite from the start.

> Our stuff can be
> used as online help and we have more coverage (much more actually). I 
> think we did a greate job to do that. 

So keep going. =)


> ps. If most of us agree with me, there is no need to host this file
> (no offense, it is a very good file) on our site. 

okay.

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