>>>renaming inline canvas/encapsulate to Group can help but impede a user
to catch synfig concept quickly.
renaming inline canvas/encapsulate to Group can not help but impede a user
to catch synfig concept quickly.
2012/5/13 Yu Chen <jcomee@...>
> Regarding encapsulate and group, I have to point out that synfig layer
> is primitive layer, in other graphics softwares in the world,
> they are normally defined as objects, take a look at Adobe Illustrator or
> Inkscape. There is another key point I have to mention capsulated
> layers are not 100% the same as group layers in other software, a
> capsulated layer is a canvas (exported or inline) in fact in synfig world.
> we rename it to group, a user (newbie) will still expect it behaves as in
> other graphic softwares. so from my point of view this renaming can
> not solve the problem we are trying to solve.
> Yes, I redesigned group and inline canvas icons, there was some facts
> when I did them: I didn't know what exactly the inline canvas and
> group meaning in synfig, as most of newbies come from other graphics
> world, you can see at the forum discussions, I made a proposal
> using a "Folder" metaphor for inline canvas and for group too. From this
> mistake I made, we can have some valuable things: renaming
> inline canvas/encapsulate to Group can help but impede a user to catch
> synfig concept quickly. We all have to agree that "ease to learn" is
> not our main target since doing full feature animation movie with computer
> is not a ease job.
> If we finally make the decision that we have to rename encapsulate to
> group, group to sets, it will fine to me. but I can't agree with
> "keeping the current group icon as sets icon". Imaging a newbie come from
> other graphics software which has group layer concept as
> in the most graphics software, s/he except the "sets" behaves as group
> layer since most softwares use "Folder" icon as group layer.
> From UX point of view (I am doing researching job for UI Redesign), Group
> concept in current synfig will be replace be a filter system of
> layers, I have some initial ideas in my mind: each layer can be tagged by
> user, and can be filtered. I will find time to draw some mockups
> and post in here or forums to brainstorm.
> For BLine, I have one proposal : just use "Line". Curve is fine to me too,
> be based on my experience, if I saw a word curve, I will always
> expect the line is a non-straight line :) BLine can be a straight line,
> isn't it?
> Just my two cents.
>  http://www.synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1362&start=30
> ~ yu
> 2012/5/13 Timothée Giet <animtim@...>
>> So for now we agree on:
>> -Control points : OK (genete: I like the "handle" idea too, but let's
>> shoose "control point" if everyone agree… is still more precise, and I
>> think it works well also for all kind of points, as they are still here to
>> control something. And it fits Inkscape terminology. On this point I think
>> now it's even more important to get terminology compatible with Inkscape as
>> much as possible, if we want to support the "Inkscape to synfig" export
>> -Graph panel : OK (I agree it's the best suggestion here)
>> -Cpoint → Color Stop : Ok sure :)
>> -Encapsulate and Paste canvas layer→ Group and Group Layer : OK (indeed
>> even for me it's the most intuitive term to use here)
>> -Groups → Sets : so OK (about the icons, I agree to get back the brown
>> icon for the layer groups, and for the sets as Zelgadis I think current
>> icons could stay, not really a problem… but if you really want some new
>> ones Genete, I can make some ;) )
>> Now about Bline→ Curve or Path , Path still looks the best choice to me…
>> As genete said, "Path tool" sounds better; about confusion with animation
>> path Zelgadis said, it makes me even more think that path is the right word
>> as you can animate following a path… it makes sense. Also again it fits
>> Inkscape /general vector tools terminology, so it would be good to use this
>> word. But if you two prefer Curve, let's use it, I agree it's a hard
>> choice… Checking the "Bezier curve" wikipedia page carefully, both terms
>> could fit.
>> Waiting for you two (and if any other have something to say about this…)
>> to confirm (or not) the list, and give your final choices.
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