Radmind

I wrote:
> Just to make absolutely sure there is no inconsistency between my

Oops here's the rest: ...my negative transcripts and the baseload, I 
rebuilt my baseload by installing from my base image, copied the two 
negative transcripts and my command file into /var/radmind/client/ and 
made a new base.T and two 0-length file overloads for each of the two 
negatives:

   cd /
   fsdiff -C -c sha1 -o /var/radmind/client/base.T .
   lcreate -c sha1 /var/radmind/client/base.T
   lcreate -N /var/radmind/client/10.5-negative.T
   lcreate -N /var/radmind/client/10.6-negative.T

I verified base.T with lcksum (no errors), moved base.T and the two 
negatives tmp to the place where the command file expects to see the 
transcripts and files, and re-updated the client machine:

   ktcheck -c sha1 || (cd / ; fsdiff -A -c sha1 . | lapply -c sha1 -F && 
/sbin/reboot)

No errors on that either.

Still, I can't login with any network (AD) user.
-- 
J.B. Nicholson-Owens, Website and Network Administrator

Couple of questions:

1) what is in ADOD_binder.T?

2) what are the files that are changing after you load your image and run
fsdiff but before you lapply?

In 10.5, I have /Library/Preferences/DirectoryServices, /Library/Managed
Preferences, /private/etc/krb5.keytab in my negative and they don't appear
in any other transcripts.

HTH
-Gary

On 6/23/10 8:03 PM, "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" <jbn@...> wrote:

> I wrote:
>> Just to make absolutely sure there is no inconsistency between my
> 
> Oops here's the rest: ...my negative transcripts and the baseload, I
> rebuilt my baseload by installing from my base image, copied the two
> negative transcripts and my command file into /var/radmind/client/ and
> made a new base.T and two 0-length file overloads for each of the two
> negatives:
> 
>    cd /
>    fsdiff -C -c sha1 -o /var/radmind/client/base.T .
>    lcreate -c sha1 /var/radmind/client/base.T
>    lcreate -N /var/radmind/client/10.5-negative.T
>    lcreate -N /var/radmind/client/10.6-negative.T
> 
> I verified base.T with lcksum (no errors), moved base.T and the two
> negatives tmp to the place where the command file expects to see the
> transcripts and files, and re-updated the client machine:
> 
>    ktcheck -c sha1 || (cd / ; fsdiff -A -c sha1 . | lapply -c sha1 -F &&
> /sbin/reboot)
> 
> No errors on that either.
> 
> Still, I can't login with any network (AD) user.

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The default transcripts you download do not have the 
/library/preferences/directoryservices/ directory in them. It needs to 
be added.

Your base image should be created from a machine that is not bound to AD 
and does not have that directory listed.

Anything else and your machine will fail to work properly with AD after 
running RADMIND.

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On 6/23/10 7:43 PM, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote:
> Sorry about breaking threading for this response.  For some reason I
> don't understand sourceforge isn't sending me posts to this list and I
> had to read followups to my post on the archives.  Ugh.
>
> Christopher D. Cover wrote:
>    
>> You need to have the /library/preferences/DirectoryService
>> in your negative transcript and nothing in your baseload with that
>> directory in it.
>>      
> Thanks so much for your help, Christopher.  I'm checking this out and
> unfortunately still no network users can login.
>
> My 10.5 negative doesn't have that directory in it at all.  I'm guessing
> that means 10.5 stores this info elsewhere.
>
> My 10.6 negative (addendum negative transcript from the radmind wiki)
> has that line in it: (all one line)
> -----------------------------------------
> d ./Library/Preferences/DirectoryService
>     0775     0    80
> -----------------------------------------
>
> My baseload transcript (base.T) goes from: (chopped after the pathname)
> -----------------------------------------
> f ./Library/Preferences/Audio/com.apple.audio.DeviceSettings.plist
> d ./Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration
> -----------------------------------------
> on neighboring lines so I should be okay there.
>
> Just to make absolutely sure there is no inconsistency between my
>
> If you have something else I can check on or test, I'd love to read it.
>

coverc wrote:
> The default transcripts you download do not have the
> /library/preferences/directoryservices/ directory in them. It needs to
> be added.

Isn't line #9 of the negative transcript at 
http://webapps.itcs.umich.edu/radmind/index.php/10.6-desktop-negative.T 
that line?

d /Library/Preferences/DirectoryService	0775     0    80

Or is this a case issue with lower-case letters throughout indicating a 
different directory?  I am using case-sensitive transcripts.

Or is /Library/Preferences/DirectoryServices (emphasis on the final "s") 
a different directory which you're saying I need to add to my negative?

Or something completely different?

The above transcript line from the radmind wiki is in my 10.6 additional 
negative (the highest priority transcript in my command file).

Right now I'm stacking the 10.5 and 10.6 negative transcripts like we 
all do for positive transcripts.  I could try sorting the two negatives 
(10.5 and 10.6) together making one negative transcript, or making a 
KinK out of two negative transcripts.

> Your base image should be created from a machine that is not bound to AD
> and does not have that directory listed.

So the /Library/Preferences/DirectoryService directory should be present 
on the system but completely empty?  My base image has that directory 
and it's got some plists in it and a dot file:

$ ls -al /Library/Preferences/DirectoryService/
total 88
drwxrwxr-x  14 root  admin   476 Jun 24 10:40 .
drwxrwxr-x  30 root  admin  1020 Jun 24 10:43 ..
-rw-------   1 root  admin     0 Jun 24 10:40 .DSIsRunning
-rw-r--r--   1 root  admin   181 Jun 18 11:02 
ActiveDirectoryDomainCache.plist
-rw-------   1 root  admin   181 Jun 18 11:02 
ActiveDirectoryDomainPolicies.plist
-rw-------   1 root  admin   181 Jun 18 11:02 
ActiveDirectoryDynamicData.plist
-rw-------   1 root  admin   482 Jun 18 11:02 ContactsNodeConfig.plist
-rw-------   1 root  admin   482 Jun 18 11:02 ContactsNodeConfigBackup.plist
-rw-------   1 root  admin   390 Jun 18 11:02 DSLDAPv3PlugInConfig.plist
-rw-------   1 root  admin   249 Jun 18 09:49 DSRecordTypeRestrictions.plist
-rw-------   1 root  admin   460 Jun 18 11:02 DirectoryService.plist
-rw-------   1 root  admin   507 Jun 18 09:49 DirectoryServiceDebug.plist
-rw-------   1 root  admin   482 Jun 18 11:02 SearchNodeConfig.plist
-rw-------   1 root  admin   482 Jun 18 11:02 SearchNodeConfigBackup.plist

But I believe my base image is completely unbound:

To check on this I applied our base image to a machine (erased the hard 
drive, applied the 10.6.4 image) and I did not update this machine with 
radmind.  So all that's on the machine is a 10.6.4 install with the 
updates current as of a few days ago plus the installed RadmindTools 
package (v1.13).

So, is this machine bound to any directory service?  I went to System 
Preferences -> Accounts -> Login Options and I saw "Network Account 
Server:" and a button labeled "Join..." (so I'm thinking "no, not bound" 
right now).

Clicking the Join... button prompted me for a directory server.  I 
didn't fill in anything.  The servers that are listed in the pull-down 
are 3 XServes on my LAN (I figure that it found those via Bonjour?). 
Also, on the command line, "id jbn" returns "id: jbn: no such user".  On 
an AD bound machine this command would show me all the AD groups I'm in.

So I believe I'm starting from a completely unbound base image.

> Anything else and your machine will fail to work properly with AD after
> running RADMIND.

Okay; I must be misinterpreting something you're saying because clearly 
you've all got this working (and 10.5.x worked for me).

Thanks for your patience and assistance.
-- 
J.B. Nicholson-Owens, Website and Network Administrator

Gary Bernstein wrote:
> Couple of questions:
>
> 1) what is in ADOD_binder.T?

# The A+D AD/OD binding script which joins a client to the appropriate 
domain.
d ./Library	0755     0   0
d ./Library/LaunchDaemons	0755     0   0
f ./Library/LaunchDaemons/edu.uiuc.art.adodbind.plist 0644     0   501 
1214575770     530 n08sDyd1AdnTsMwjvvnvuxLGuZs=
d ./usr                                	0755     0     0
d ./usr/local                          	0755     0     0
d ./usr/local/scripts                  	0755     0     0
f ./usr/local/scripts/.ADOD_bind.sh     0700     0     0 1277342386 
9504 TDrtA0mgqnzHfmtiI5hVZLVOiMI=

This is a shell script that launchd runs at boot and keeps re-running. 
When the script successfully binds it deletes itself and its launchd job 
leaving behind a bound machine.

> 2) what are the files that are changing after you load your image and run
> fsdiff but before you lapply?

The output from

sudo sh -c 'ktcheck -c sha1 || (cd / ; fsdiff -A -c sha1 . 
 >~admin/fsdiff.out.txt)'

is:

-----------------------------------------------
/var/radmind/client/command.K: updated
/var/radmind/client/new/base.T: updated
/var/radmind/client/new/10.5-negative.T: updated
/var/radmind/client/new/10.6-negative.T: updated
-----------------------------------------------

and the fsdiff.out.txt file (which shows what would have been fed to 
lapply) is attached.

There aren't many changes.  I expected only the changes to files

> In 10.5, I have /Library/Preferences/DirectoryServices, /Library/Managed
> Preferences, /private/etc/krb5.keytab in my negative and they don't appear
> in any other transcripts.

On my 10.5 negative, I do not have 
/Library/Preferences/DirectoryServices nor do I have 
/private/etc/krb5.keytab but I do have /Library/Managed\bPreferences.

I think I didn't care about managing 
/Library/Preferences/DirectoryServices content (letting radmind reset 
this directory and its contents to what's in my baseload) because the 
binding script would just rebind the machine on boot (or shortly 
thereafter) and I'd have a bound machine again.

My 10.6 negative has /Library/Preferences/DirectoryServices and 
/private/etc/krb5.keytab.  Since I'm stacking my 10.6 negative below my 
10.5 negative, my 10.6 system should also have /private/etc/krb5.keytab 
as well.  However, I was planning to experiment by sorting together both 
of my 10.5 and 10.6 negatives together (making one larger negative) and 
trying that.  Despite the language in 
http://webapps.itcs.umich.edu/radmind/index.php/10.6-desktop-negative.T 
which says "Negative transcripts can be stacked in the same manner as 
positive transcripts, so you could add this along with the 
10.5-desktop-negative.T." I want to be sure that is true.  I figure at 
worst I'm wasting my time and nothing will change because I'm switching 
to a negative equivalent to what I have now.

What do you think of that?

Thanks for your help Gary, as per usual.
-- 
J.B. Nicholson-Owens, Website and Network Administrator

I wrote:
> Isn't line #9 of the negative transcript at
> http://webapps.itcs.umich.edu/radmind/index.php/10.6-desktop-negative.T
> that line?

I meant to say line #6 not line #9.
-- 
J.B. Nicholson-Owens, Website and Network Administrator

On Jun 24, 2010, at 9:47 AM, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote:

>
> and the fsdiff.out.txt file (which shows what would have been fed to  
> lapply) is attached.
>

Looking through the fsdiff output, I noticed a couple things. The  
first is this line:

+ f ./Library/Preferences/edu.mit.Kerberos	0644     0    80  
1123186701       0 2jmj7l5rSw0yVb/vlWAYkK/YBwk=

Your Kerberos settings are being changed, which seems like it could  
affect AD binding.

The second is that you have the following entries:

+ f ./private/var/db/dyld/dyld_shared_cache_i386	0644     0     0  
1277331161 205422592 NXlaPwGWvO+eP0J646u6TYI7E9g=
+ f ./private/var/db/dyld/dyld_shared_cache_i386.map	0644     0     0  
1277331162   49360 wZMEM7EYVsVpVXjfjINT8IiM6/c=
+ f ./private/var/db/dyld/dyld_shared_cache_rosetta	0644     0     0  
1277331170 206671872 EBkPK5+B7iqrKCzb51FcHlp/UBA=
+ f ./private/var/db/dyld/dyld_shared_cache_rosetta.map	0644     0      
0 1277331170   41883 cl4dKppikV16L03ZqHvIfM35hb0=

I'm not sure how that would interact with AD binding in particular,  
but I think you generally want to keep the dyld cache directory in an  
exclude and not include the actual caches in any transcript so that  
they get generated locally.

Dustin

-- 

Dustin King
Software Imaging Architect
Academic Computing Technology Services
Stanford University

You need to have the /library/preferences/DirectoryService
in your negative transcript and nothing in your baseload with that 
directory in it.

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On 6/23/10 4:44 PM, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote:
> I'm having problems with my radmind 10.6 negative -- AD network users 
> cannot login to the machine after I update with my base loadset.  I 
> can login as a local admin user and get a list of groups a user is a 
> member of with "id username" and the client machine has no login 
> restrictions, but still no network user can login.
>
> Background: I've got an Intel iMac running 10.6.4.  I plan to use this 
> as a basis for a lab setup where all the users come from AD (except 
> one local admin user).  I imaged this machine with 10.6 from an 
> official Apple DVD, then I used Software Update to get this system 
> updated to 10.6.4, and finally I installed the radmind CLI programs.  
> Now the machine is up to date as of the current set of updates.   I 
> made an image of this drive.  This is my base image.
>
> I wish to lay down this base image with DeployStudio and then have 
> DeployStudio run a script to do an update from our radmind server, the 
> short one-line version of this radmind update script is:
>
> /Volumes/Macintosh\ HD/usr/local/bin/ktcheck -c sha1 || (cd 
> /Volumes/Macintosh\ HD/ ; /Volumes/Macintosh\ HD/usr/local/bin/fsdiff 
> -A -c sha1 . | /Volumes/Macintosh\ HD/usr/local/bin/lapply -c sha1 -F)
>
> That's all one line (it looks long because the radmind binaries are 
> fully-qualified).  I use relative transcripts and the radmind CLI 
> programs are in the base image.
>
> If I only apply the base image and do not update with radmind, I have 
> a machine I can manually bind to AD and the machine works fine.  So 
> MacOS 10.6.4 works bound to AD.
>
> If I only apply the base image and then run the binding script the 
> machine is joined to AD and it works fine.  This tells me the binding 
> script still works fine.
>
>
> Problem: Applying the base image + updating with radmind + binding 
> produces a machine that lets no AD user in.
>
> This tells me that I'm apparently not doing something correctly in my 
> 10.6.4 base radmind overload.  The machine will bind to AD (I see a 
> green dot on the list of connected directory services, "id jbn" gives 
> me my list of AD groups) but the machine will not let any network 
> users login.
>
> When I make a base loadset and use the following negatives (attached), 
> the machine will bind to AD but no AD user can login.
>
> My command.K is short:
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> # MacOS 10.6.
> p new/base.T
>
> # Bind to AD/OD.
> p new/ADOD_binder.T
>
> # MacOS 10.5 and 10.6 negative.
> n new/10.5-negative.T
> n new/10.6-negative.T
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> My 10.5 negative worked for 10.5.
>
> When I update the machine after the base image is applied, the update 
> actually does change some files (which strikes me as odd since the 
> files in the base.T overload came from the base image).
>
> As I understand it, all the files in the positive transcripts are 
> either my binding script (which works) or files/folders copied from 
> the base 10.6.4 image (via lcreate'ing the files up to the radmind 
> server and checking in the huge base.T loadset).  Hence I figure I'm 
> doing something wrong with the two negatives because there's little left.
>
> Is my logic correct here?
>
> Does this strike someone as a familiar problem?
>
> Does anyone know what files/folders are involved in letting someone 
> login from AD?
>
> Thanks for any help you can offer.
>
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After converting the installers into pkgs using the deployment kit, which
allows me to customize which bits and pieces I don't want installed, and to
break down suites and collections into individual app installers, I ran one
the installers, say Photoshop, and without running the application, created
a transcript file. 

I then split the resulting transcript file into two separate transcripts:
one contains only /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS5 and its subdirectories,
and the other contains everything else that gets installed.  The everything
else transcript, I refer to as my "Adobe common files" transcript.

After uploading both of these to the server, and adding just the common
files transcript to the command file of my build machine, and resyncing my
build machine with the server, I repeat the process for the next app, say
Dreamweaver.  I once again split the app into two parts:  only
/Applications/Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 and its subdirectories and the new
additions/changes to my common files transcript.  I then upload both and
merge the additions/changes common files transcript with the original common
files transcript.

Repeat process for each app.

Once that is done, I go back and do any updates, keying (we use Sassafras
KeyServer), and minor customizations that might be needed and then maintain
those customizations separately from the non-launched versions I initially
created as described above.

To customize receipt handling for cross-OS compatibility, I simply duplicate
the transcript file for the common files, naming one something like
"cs5-common-files-106.T" and one "cs5-common-files-105.T".  Since receipts
in 10.5 are housed in /Library/Receipts, and receipts in 10.6 are housed in
/private/var/db/receipts, you can include both versions of the receipts in
cs5-common-files-106.T's corresponding file directory and created a symbolic
link to cs5-common-files-106.T called cs5-common-files-105.T.  Then all you
need to do is edit cs5-common-files-106.T and cs5-common-files-105.T to
include only the receipt directory diff lines required without having to
maintain two separate file repositories.

It's worked great for me, and I am about to start on my fourth transcript as
we speak, InDesign.

Jim

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
James Kirkum, Jr.
Server Technician
Information Technology Services
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


> From: Matthew de Pass <matthew-dp@...>
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:11:26 -0400
> To: Users Radmind Discuss <radmind-users@...>
> Subject: Re: [Radmind-users] CS5
> 
> I've just finished my CS5 loadsets and it's been an absolute nightmare, with
> Bridge CS5 being the most problematic of all. I'm not sure if you've been
> through the CS4 pain (it was the same as it is with CS5) in that it requires
> all the language localisations to be present in order for some apps to launch.
> Specifically Bridge, Device Central, Fireworks and Illustrator.  In 10.5, we
> were using excludes to filter out the 'localized strings', thereby saving a
> few thousand lines in transcripts, but for our new 10.6 deployment, I've
> commented them out of the base exclude solely to deal with the Adobe problem.
> 
> We've got a method of building loadsets whereby we install the Master
> Collection and then create a loadset of files that are common to all and then
> break it down further into individual apps. We then assemble command files to
> build up application and suite combinations.
> 
> On the whole, the process works well, though I'd love to know about Jim's
> method in more detail as I didn't look too much into the Deployment Toolkit.
> Specifically, what do you mean by 'minor change in how receipts are handled'?
> Do you have some fancy pre and postflight scripts Jim?
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> On 16 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Jim Kirkum wrote:
> 
>> I've built several CS5 app transcripts using radmind and haven't had any
>> issues.  I used the enterprise deployment kit to convert the installers into
>> .pkgs in order to inject license keys and prep for deployment elsewhere
>> before using them with radmind though.
>> 
>> You can get the deployment kit from:
>> 
>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/creativesuite/enterprisedeployment.html
>> 
>> So far I have built and had success with Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and
>> Photoshop Extended.  I am planning to complete building transcripts for the
>> rest of the suite by the end of the week, so if I run into any issues, I
>> will let you know.
>> 
>> We are using volume licensing for education.
>> 
>> I've verified that I can use the same transcripts under 10.5.8 and 10.6.3
>> with a minor change in how receipts are handled.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>>> From: coverc <coverc@...>
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:58:36 -0400
>>> To: Users Radmind Discuss <radmind-users@...>
>>> Subject: [Radmind-users] CS5
>>> 
>>> Anyone doing or done the CS5 install with RADMIND. I'm seeing some odd
>>> issues here one being that the apps fail to launch on  RADMIND' machines.
> 
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Thanks for the replies:

My specific issue is that I must keep CS3 and CS4 installed as well. I 
had all kinds of fun keeping CS3 and 4 production and design suite set 
up, but this one is on some other...Kaka.

I get the error 15 dialog.

When I do the reinstall and run fsdiff I get another 5GB transcript 
mostly of stuff that is already in the install transcript leading me to 
believe some permissions must have been changed between install and run 
and transcript.

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On 6/16/10 1:02 PM, Kenster Rosenberry wrote:
> Hi Christopher,
>
> When you say fails to launch, does the app start to launch and then
> give an Error: 16?  That's what I saw with my testing yesterday.  If
> that's also your problem, here's a web page with the solution:
>
>      <http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/827/cpsid_82744.html>
>
> I had the issue because we have automated radmind scripts that correct
> problems like 'bad' permissions (world writable, unreadable,
> sticky-bits, setuid bits, etc). Today, I created a higher precedence
> transcript to allow world write on:
>
>      /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Adobe PCD/cache
>      /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Adobe PCD/cache/cache.db
>      /Library/Application Support/Adobe/SLStore
>      /Library/Application Support/Adobe/SLStore_v1
>
> which allows the apps to launch.
>
> There are many other files/folders Adobe installs with world write
> perms and that I allowed our scripts to 'correct'. It will take
> further testing to see the impact of removing the world-write
> permissions on these additional items.
>
> PS - When I corrected the perms on the PCD cache folder, and contents
> (but not the SLStore dirs) I then got the error 'Configuration Error:
> 213:11. Once I opened up write access to the SLStore and SLStore_v1
> dirs, the Adobe apps were then able to launch.
>
> If none of these are the error your seeing, I'm sorry for wasting your time.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> ~~Kenster
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:58 AM, coverc<coverc@...>  wrote:
>    
>> Anyone doing or done the CS5 install with RADMIND. I'm seeing some odd
>> issues here one being that the apps fail to launch on  RADMIND' machines.
>>
>> --
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>> Cheng Library Rm 110
>> Wayne NJ, 07470
>> 973-720-3664
>> coverc@...
>>
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>>
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So am I reading you correctly that, after you create the PKG files using 
the deployment kit, you then have that PKG on a unit (which will act as 
the radmind master) and then simply double click that pkg to install it?

That's nice to hear, as the Docs with the deployment kit say do not do 
that! Use ARD instead.  Am I understanding you correctly?

Thanks

	David Houston
	University of Vermont
	Phone: (802) 656 2013
	**
        "You are nestled in our hearts forever"
        **


On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Jim Kirkum intoned:

JK:After converting the installers into pkgs using the deployment kit, which
JK:allows me to customize which bits and pieces I don't want installed, and to
JK:break down suites and collections into individual app installers, I ran one
JK:the installers, say Photoshop, and without running the application, created
JK:a transcript file. 
JK:
JK:I then split the resulting transcript file into two separate transcripts:
JK:one contains only /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS5 and its subdirectories,
JK:and the other contains everything else that gets installed.  The everything
JK:else transcript, I refer to as my "Adobe common files" transcript.
JK:
JK:After uploading both of these to the server, and adding just the common
JK:files transcript to the command file of my build machine, and resyncing my
JK:build machine with the server, I repeat the process for the next app, say
JK:Dreamweaver.  I once again split the app into two parts:  only
JK:/Applications/Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 and its subdirectories and the new
JK:additions/changes to my common files transcript.  I then upload both and
JK:merge the additions/changes common files transcript with the original common
JK:files transcript.
JK:
JK:Repeat process for each app.
JK:
JK:Once that is done, I go back and do any updates, keying (we use Sassafras
JK:KeyServer), and minor customizations that might be needed and then maintain
JK:those customizations separately from the non-launched versions I initially
JK:created as described above.
JK:
JK:To customize receipt handling for cross-OS compatibility, I simply duplicate
JK:the transcript file for the common files, naming one something like
JK:"cs5-common-files-106.T" and one "cs5-common-files-105.T".  Since receipts
JK:in 10.5 are housed in /Library/Receipts, and receipts in 10.6 are housed in
JK:/private/var/db/receipts, you can include both versions of the receipts in
JK:cs5-common-files-106.T's corresponding file directory and created a symbolic
JK:link to cs5-common-files-106.T called cs5-common-files-105.T.  Then all you
JK:need to do is edit cs5-common-files-106.T and cs5-common-files-105.T to
JK:include only the receipt directory diff lines required without having to
JK:maintain two separate file repositories.
JK:
JK:It's worked great for me, and I am about to start on my fourth transcript as
JK:we speak, InDesign.
JK:
JK:Jim
JK:
JK:-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
JK:James Kirkum, Jr.
JK:Server Technician
JK:Information Technology Services
JK:Bowling Green State University
JK:Bowling Green, OH
JK:-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
JK:
JK:
JK:> From: Matthew de Pass <matthew-dp@...>
JK:> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:11:26 -0400
JK:> To: Users Radmind Discuss <radmind-users@...>
JK:> Subject: Re: [Radmind-users] CS5
JK:> 
JK:> I've just finished my CS5 loadsets and it's been an absolute nightmare, with
JK:> Bridge CS5 being the most problematic of all. I'm not sure if you've been
JK:> through the CS4 pain (it was the same as it is with CS5) in that it requires
JK:> all the language localisations to be present in order for some apps to launch.
JK:> Specifically Bridge, Device Central, Fireworks and Illustrator.  In 10.5, we
JK:> were using excludes to filter out the 'localized strings', thereby saving a
JK:> few thousand lines in transcripts, but for our new 10.6 deployment, I've
JK:> commented them out of the base exclude solely to deal with the Adobe problem.
JK:> 
JK:> We've got a method of building loadsets whereby we install the Master
JK:> Collection and then create a loadset of files that are common to all and then
JK:> break it down further into individual apps. We then assemble command files to
JK:> build up application and suite combinations.
JK:> 
JK:> On the whole, the process works well, though I'd love to know about Jim's
JK:> method in more detail as I didn't look too much into the Deployment Toolkit.
JK:> Specifically, what do you mean by 'minor change in how receipts are handled'?
JK:> Do you have some fancy pre and postflight scripts Jim?
JK:> 
JK:> Matt
JK:> 
JK:> 
JK:> On 16 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Jim Kirkum wrote:
JK:> 
JK:>> I've built several CS5 app transcripts using radmind and haven't had any
JK:>> issues.  I used the enterprise deployment kit to convert the installers into
JK:>> .pkgs in order to inject license keys and prep for deployment elsewhere
JK:>> before using them with radmind though.
JK:>> 
JK:>> You can get the deployment kit from:
JK:>> 
JK:>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/creativesuite/enterprisedeployment.html
JK:>> 
JK:>> So far I have built and had success with Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and
JK:>> Photoshop Extended.  I am planning to complete building transcripts for the
JK:>> rest of the suite by the end of the week, so if I run into any issues, I
JK:>> will let you know.
JK:>> 
JK:>> We are using volume licensing for education.
JK:>> 
JK:>> I've verified that I can use the same transcripts under 10.5.8 and 10.6.3
JK:>> with a minor change in how receipts are handled.
JK:>> 
JK:>> Thanks,
JK:>> 
JK:>> Jim
JK:>> 
JK:>>> From: coverc <coverc@...>
JK:>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:58:36 -0400
JK:>>> To: Users Radmind Discuss <radmind-users@...>
JK:>>> Subject: [Radmind-users] CS5
JK:>>> 
JK:>>> Anyone doing or done the CS5 install with RADMIND. I'm seeing some odd
JK:>>> issues here one being that the apps fail to launch on  RADMIND' machines.
JK:> 
JK:> Matt de Pass
JK:> MPC
JK:> 127 Wardour Street
JK:> Soho, London, W1F 0NL
JK:> Main - + 44 (0) 20 7434 3100
JK:> http://www.moving-picture.com
JK:> 
JK:> 
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JK:> GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the
JK:> lucky parental unit.  See the prize list and enter to win:
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JK:> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/radmind-users
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JK:

That's correct, David.

The only downside to the .pkg is that it doesn't allow you to execute it off
from a network volume, so you need to copy it locally to your build machine
and then delete it after the install before making your radmind transcript.

I think they put that part in about ARD so that people weren't going machine
to machine installing using the .pkg.  I don't think it was in reference to
radmind, but who knows ...

Jim

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
James Kirkum, Jr.
Server Technician
Information Technology Services
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


> From: David Houston <dlrh@...>
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:27:42 -0400
> To: Users Radmind Discuss <radmind-users@...>
> Subject: Re: [Radmind-users] CS5
> 
> So am I reading you correctly that, after you create the PKG files using
> the deployment kit, you then have that PKG on a unit (which will act as
> the radmind master) and then simply double click that pkg to install it?
> 
> That's nice to hear, as the Docs with the deployment kit say do not do
> that! Use ARD instead.  Am I understanding you correctly?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David Houston
> University of Vermont
> Phone: (802) 656 2013
> **
>         "You are nestled in our hearts forever"
>         **
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Jim Kirkum intoned:
> 
> JK:After converting the installers into pkgs using the deployment kit, which
> JK:allows me to customize which bits and pieces I don't want installed, and to
> JK:break down suites and collections into individual app installers, I ran one
> JK:the installers, say Photoshop, and without running the application, created
> JK:a transcript file.
> JK:
> JK:I then split the resulting transcript file into two separate transcripts:
> JK:one contains only /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS5 and its subdirectories,
> JK:and the other contains everything else that gets installed.  The everything
> JK:else transcript, I refer to as my "Adobe common files" transcript.
> JK:
> JK:After uploading both of these to the server, and adding just the common
> JK:files transcript to the command file of my build machine, and resyncing my
> JK:build machine with the server, I repeat the process for the next app, say
> JK:Dreamweaver.  I once again split the app into two parts:  only
> JK:/Applications/Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 and its subdirectories and the new
> JK:additions/changes to my common files transcript.  I then upload both and
> JK:merge the additions/changes common files transcript with the original
> common
> JK:files transcript.
> JK:
> JK:Repeat process for each app.
> JK:
> JK:Once that is done, I go back and do any updates, keying (we use Sassafras
> JK:KeyServer), and minor customizations that might be needed and then maintain
> JK:those customizations separately from the non-launched versions I initially
> JK:created as described above.
> JK:
> JK:To customize receipt handling for cross-OS compatibility, I simply
> duplicate
> JK:the transcript file for the common files, naming one something like
> JK:"cs5-common-files-106.T" and one "cs5-common-files-105.T".  Since receipts
> JK:in 10.5 are housed in /Library/Receipts, and receipts in 10.6 are housed in
> JK:/private/var/db/receipts, you can include both versions of the receipts in
> JK:cs5-common-files-106.T's corresponding file directory and created a
> symbolic
> JK:link to cs5-common-files-106.T called cs5-common-files-105.T.  Then all you
> JK:need to do is edit cs5-common-files-106.T and cs5-common-files-105.T to
> JK:include only the receipt directory diff lines required without having to
> JK:maintain two separate file repositories.
> JK:
> JK:It's worked great for me, and I am about to start on my fourth transcript
> as
> JK:we speak, InDesign.
> JK:
> JK:Jim
> JK:
> JK:-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> JK:James Kirkum, Jr.
> JK:Server Technician
> JK:Information Technology Services
> JK:Bowling Green State University
> JK:Bowling Green, OH
> JK:-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> JK:
> JK:
> JK:> From: Matthew de Pass <matthew-dp@...>
> JK:> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:11:26 -0400
> JK:> To: Users Radmind Discuss <radmind-users@...>
> JK:> Subject: Re: [Radmind-users] CS5
> JK:> 
> JK:> I've just finished my CS5 loadsets and it's been an absolute nightmare,
> with
> JK:> Bridge CS5 being the most problematic of all. I'm not sure if you've been
> JK:> through the CS4 pain (it was the same as it is with CS5) in that it
> requires
> JK:> all the language localisations to be present in order for some apps to
> launch.
> JK:> Specifically Bridge, Device Central, Fireworks and Illustrator.  In 10.5,
> we
> JK:> were using excludes to filter out the 'localized strings', thereby saving
> a
> JK:> few thousand lines in transcripts, but for our new 10.6 deployment, I've
> JK:> commented them out of the base exclude solely to deal with the Adobe
> problem.
> JK:> 
> JK:> We've got a method of building loadsets whereby we install the Master
> JK:> Collection and then create a loadset of files that are common to all and
> then
> JK:> break it down further into individual apps. We then assemble command
> files to
> JK:> build up application and suite combinations.
> JK:> 
> JK:> On the whole, the process works well, though I'd love to know about Jim's
> JK:> method in more detail as I didn't look too much into the Deployment
> Toolkit.
> JK:> Specifically, what do you mean by 'minor change in how receipts are
> handled'?
> JK:> Do you have some fancy pre and postflight scripts Jim?
> JK:> 
> JK:> Matt
> JK:> 
> JK:> 
> JK:> On 16 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Jim Kirkum wrote:
> JK:> 
> JK:>> I've built several CS5 app transcripts using radmind and haven't had any
> JK:>> issues.  I used the enterprise deployment kit to convert the installers
> into
> JK:>> .pkgs in order to inject license keys and prep for deployment elsewhere
> JK:>> before using them with radmind though.
> JK:>> 
> JK:>> You can get the deployment kit from:
> JK:>> 
> JK:>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/creativesuite/enterprisedeployment.html
> JK:>> 
> JK:>> So far I have built and had success with Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and
> JK:>> Photoshop Extended.  I am planning to complete building transcripts for
> the
> JK:>> rest of the suite by the end of the week, so if I run into any issues, I
> JK:>> will let you know.
> JK:>> 
> JK:>> We are using volume licensing for education.
> JK:>> 
> JK:>> I've verified that I can use the same transcripts under 10.5.8 and
> 10.6.3
> JK:>> with a minor change in how receipts are handled.
> JK:>> 
> JK:>> Thanks,
> JK:>> 
> JK:>> Jim
> JK:>> 
> JK:>>> From: coverc <coverc@...>
> JK:>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:58:36 -0400
> JK:>>> To: Users Radmind Discuss <radmind-users@...>
> JK:>>> Subject: [Radmind-users] CS5
> JK:>>> 
> JK:>>> Anyone doing or done the CS5 install with RADMIND. I'm seeing some odd
> JK:>>> issues here one being that the apps fail to launch on  RADMIND'
> machines.
> JK:> 
> JK:> Matt de Pass
> JK:> MPC
> JK:> 127 Wardour Street
> JK:> Soho, London, W1F 0NL
> JK:> Main - + 44 (0) 20 7434 3100
> JK:> http://www.moving-picture.com
> JK:> 
> JK:> 
> JK:> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> JK:> ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate
> JK:> GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the
> JK:> lucky parental unit.  See the prize list and enter to win:
> JK:> http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo
> JK:> _______________________________________________
> JK:> Radmind-users mailing list
> JK:> Radmind-users@...
> JK:> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/radmind-users
> JK:
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Something is very wrong here. Are there any issues with the Radmind1.1.3 
tools? Every CS5 install blows up upon RADMIND install (error 15). I 
have never seen anything like this.  Doing an re-install and creating an 
overload to see what's changed essentially creates an entirely new 6GB 
transcript containing most of the same files.

Why does this seem to be a case of a copy triggers a failed install?

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On 6/16/10 3:27 PM, David Houston wrote:
> So am I reading you correctly that, after you create the PKG files using
> the deployment kit, you then have that PKG on a unit (which will act as
> the radmind master) and then simply double click that pkg to install it?
>
> That's nice to hear, as the Docs with the deployment kit say do not do
> that! Use ARD instead.  Am I understanding you correctly?
>
> Thanks
>
> 	David Houston
> 	University of Vermont
> 	Phone: (802) 656 2013
> 	**
>          "You are nestled in our hearts forever"
>          **
>
>
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Jim Kirkum intoned:
>
> JK:After converting the installers into pkgs using the deployment kit, which
> JK:allows me to customize which bits and pieces I don't want installed, and to
> JK:break down suites and collections into individual app installers, I ran one
> JK:the installers, say Photoshop, and without running the application, created
> JK:a transcript file.
> JK:
> JK:I then split the resulting transcript file into two separate transcripts:
> JK:one contains only /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS5 and its subdirectories,
> JK:and the other contains everything else that gets installed.  The everything
> JK:else transcript, I refer to as my "Adobe common files" transcript.
> JK:
> JK:After uploading both of these to the server, and adding just the common
> JK:files transcript to the command file of my build machine, and resyncing my
> JK:build machine with the server, I repeat the process for the next app, say
> JK:Dreamweaver.  I once again split the app into two parts:  only
> JK:/Applications/Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 and its subdirectories and the new
> JK:additions/changes to my common files transcript.  I then upload both and
> JK:merge the additions/changes common files transcript with the original common
> JK:files transcript.
> JK:
> JK:Repeat process for each app.
> JK:
> JK:Once that is done, I go back and do any updates, keying (we use Sassafras
> JK:KeyServer), and minor customizations that might be needed and then maintain
> JK:those customizations separately from the non-launched versions I initially
> JK:created as described above.
> JK:
> JK:To customize receipt handling for cross-OS compatibility, I simply duplicate
> JK:the transcript file for the common files, naming one something like
> JK:"cs5-common-files-106.T" and one "cs5-common-files-105.T".  Since receipts
> JK:in 10.5 are housed in /Library/Receipts, and receipts in 10.6 are housed in
> JK:/private/var/db/receipts, you can include both versions of the receipts in
> JK:cs5-common-files-106.T's corresponding file directory and created a symbolic
> JK:link to cs5-common-files-106.T called cs5-common-files-105.T.  Then all you
> JK:need to do is edit cs5-common-files-106.T and cs5-common-files-105.T to
> JK:include only the receipt directory diff lines required without having to
> JK:maintain two separate file repositories.
> JK:
> JK:It's worked great for me, and I am about to start on my fourth transcript as
> JK:we speak, InDesign.
> JK:
> JK:Jim
> JK:
> JK:-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> JK:James Kirkum, Jr.
> JK:Server Technician
> JK:Information Technology Services
> JK:Bowling Green State University
> JK:Bowling Green, OH
> JK:-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> JK:
> JK:
> JK:>  From: Matthew de Pass<matthew-dp@...>
> JK:>  Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:11:26 -0400
> JK:>  To: Users Radmind Discuss<radmind-users@...>
> JK:>  Subject: Re: [Radmind-users] CS5
> JK:>
> JK:>  I've just finished my CS5 loadsets and it's been an absolute nightmare, with
> JK:>  Bridge CS5 being the most problematic of all. I'm not sure if you've been
> JK:>  through the CS4 pain (it was the same as it is with CS5) in that it requires
> JK:>  all the language localisations to be present in order for some apps to launch.
> JK:>  Specifically Bridge, Device Central, Fireworks and Illustrator.  In 10.5, we
> JK:>  were using excludes to filter out the 'localized strings', thereby saving a
> JK:>  few thousand lines in transcripts, but for our new 10.6 deployment, I've
> JK:>  commented them out of the base exclude solely to deal with the Adobe problem.
> JK:>
> JK:>  We've got a method of building loadsets whereby we install the Master
> JK:>  Collection and then create a loadset of files that are common to all and then
> JK:>  break it down further into individual apps. We then assemble command files to
> JK:>  build up application and suite combinations.
> JK:>
> JK:>  On the whole, the process works well, though I'd love to know about Jim's
> JK:>  method in more detail as I didn't look too much into the Deployment Toolkit.
> JK:>  Specifically, what do you mean by 'minor change in how receipts are handled'?
> JK:>  Do you have some fancy pre and postflight scripts Jim?
> JK:>
> JK:>  Matt
> JK:>
> JK:>
> JK:>  On 16 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Jim Kirkum wrote:
> JK:>
> JK:>>  I've built several CS5 app transcripts using radmind and haven't had any
> JK:>>  issues.  I used the enterprise deployment kit to convert the installers into
> JK:>>  .pkgs in order to inject license keys and prep for deployment elsewhere
> JK:>>  before using them with radmind though.
> JK:>>
> JK:>>  You can get the deployment kit from:
> JK:>>
> JK:>>  http://www.adobe.com/devnet/creativesuite/enterprisedeployment.html
> JK:>>
> JK:>>  So far I have built and had success with Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and
> JK:>>  Photoshop Extended.  I am planning to complete building transcripts for the
> JK:>>  rest of the suite by the end of the week, so if I run into any issues, I
> JK:>>  will let you know.
> JK:>>
> JK:>>  We are using volume licensing for education.
> JK:>>
> JK:>>  I've verified that I can use the same transcripts under 10.5.8 and 10.6.3
> JK:>>  with a minor change in how receipts are handled.
> JK:>>
> JK:>>  Thanks,
> JK:>>
> JK:>>  Jim
> JK:>>
> JK:>>>  From: coverc<coverc@...>
> JK:>>>  Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:58:36 -0400
> JK:>>>  To: Users Radmind Discuss<radmind-users@...>
> JK:>>>  Subject: [Radmind-users] CS5
> JK:>>>
> JK:>>>  Anyone doing or done the CS5 install with RADMIND. I'm seeing some odd
> JK:>>>  issues here one being that the apps fail to launch on  RADMIND' machines.
> JK:>
> JK:>  Matt de Pass
> JK:>  MPC
> JK:>  127 Wardour Street
> JK:>  Soho, London, W1F 0NL
> JK:>  Main - + 44 (0) 20 7434 3100
> JK:>  http://www.moving-picture.com
> JK:>
> JK:>
> JK:>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> JK:>  ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate
> JK:>  GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the
> JK:>  lucky parental unit.  See the prize list and enter to win:
> JK:>  http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo
> JK:>  _______________________________________________
> JK:>  Radmind-users mailing list
> JK:>  Radmind-users@...
> JK:>  https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/radmind-users
> JK:
> JK:
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>

It appears that there are a set of symbolic links in CS5 that RADMIND is 
breaking Looking at the details of the files, the link has " ???" for 
the original files for a large set of symbolic links. I do hope this is 
not an issue with the 1.13 tools I'm using.

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On 6/17/10 7:44 AM, Jim Kirkum wrote:
> That's correct, David.
>
> The only downside to the .pkg is that it doesn't allow you to execute it off
> from a network volume, so you need to copy it locally to your build machine
> and then delete it after the install before making your radmind transcript.
>
> I think they put that part in about ARD so that people weren't going machine
> to machine installing using the .pkg.  I don't think it was in reference to
> radmind, but who knows ...
>
> Jim
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>> From: David Houston<dlrh@...>
>> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:27:42 -0400
>> To: Users Radmind Discuss<radmind-users@...>
>> Subject: Re: [Radmind-users] CS5
>>
>> So am I reading you correctly that, after you create the PKG files using
>> the deployment kit, you then have that PKG on a unit (which will act as
>> the radmind master) and then simply double click that pkg to install it?
>>
>> That's nice to hear, as the Docs with the deployment kit say do not do
>> that! Use ARD instead.  Am I understanding you correctly?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David Houston
>> University of Vermont
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>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Jim Kirkum intoned:
>>
>> JK:After converting the installers into pkgs using the deployment kit, which
>> JK:allows me to customize which bits and pieces I don't want installed, and to
>> JK:break down suites and collections into individual app installers, I ran one
>> JK:the installers, say Photoshop, and without running the application, created
>> JK:a transcript file.
>> JK:
>> JK:I then split the resulting transcript file into two separate transcripts:
>> JK:one contains only /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS5 and its subdirectories,
>> JK:and the other contains everything else that gets installed.  The everything
>> JK:else transcript, I refer to as my "Adobe common files" transcript.
>> JK:
>> JK:After uploading both of these to the server, and adding just the common
>> JK:files transcript to the command file of my build machine, and resyncing my
>> JK:build machine with the server, I repeat the process for the next app, say
>> JK:Dreamweaver.  I once again split the app into two parts:  only
>> JK:/Applications/Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 and its subdirectories and the new
>> JK:additions/changes to my common files transcript.  I then upload both and
>> JK:merge the additions/changes common files transcript with the original
>> common
>> JK:files transcript.
>> JK:
>> JK:Repeat process for each app.
>> JK:
>> JK:Once that is done, I go back and do any updates, keying (we use Sassafras
>> JK:KeyServer), and minor customizations that might be needed and then maintain
>> JK:those customizations separately from the non-launched versions I initially
>> JK:created as described above.
>> JK:
>> JK:To customize receipt handling for cross-OS compatibility, I simply
>> duplicate
>> JK:the transcript file for the common files, naming one something like
>> JK:"cs5-common-files-106.T" and one "cs5-common-files-105.T".  Since receipts
>> JK:in 10.5 are housed in /Library/Receipts, and receipts in 10.6 are housed in
>> JK:/private/var/db/receipts, you can include both versions of the receipts in
>> JK:cs5-common-files-106.T's corresponding file directory and created a
>> symbolic
>> JK:link to cs5-common-files-106.T called cs5-common-files-105.T.  Then all you
>> JK:need to do is edit cs5-common-files-106.T and cs5-common-files-105.T to
>> JK:include only the receipt directory diff lines required without having to
>> JK:maintain two separate file repositories.
>> JK:
>> JK:It's worked great for me, and I am about to start on my fourth transcript
>> as
>> JK:we speak, InDesign.
>> JK:
>> JK:Jim
>> JK:
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>> JK:
>> JK:
>> JK:>  From: Matthew de Pass<matthew-dp@...>
>> JK:>  Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:11:26 -0400
>> JK:>  To: Users Radmind Discuss<radmind-users@...>
>> JK:>  Subject: Re: [Radmind-users] CS5
>> JK:>
>> JK:>  I've just finished my CS5 loadsets and it's been an absolute nightmare,
>> with
>> JK:>  Bridge CS5 being the most problematic of all. I'm not sure if you've been
>> JK:>  through the CS4 pain (it was the same as it is with CS5) in that it
>> requires
>> JK:>  all the language localisations to be present in order for some apps to
>> launch.
>> JK:>  Specifically Bridge, Device Central, Fireworks and Illustrator.  In 10.5,
>> we
>> JK:>  were using excludes to filter out the 'localized strings', thereby saving
>> a
>> JK:>  few thousand lines in transcripts, but for our new 10.6 deployment, I've
>> JK:>  commented them out of the base exclude solely to deal with the Adobe
>> problem.
>> JK:>
>> JK:>  We've got a method of building loadsets whereby we install the Master
>> JK:>  Collection and then create a loadset of files that are common to all and
>> then
>> JK:>  break it down further into individual apps. We then assemble command
>> files to
>> JK:>  build up application and suite combinations.
>> JK:>
>> JK:>  On the whole, the process works well, though I'd love to know about Jim's
>> JK:>  method in more detail as I didn't look too much into the Deployment
>> Toolkit.
>> JK:>  Specifically, what do you mean by 'minor change in how receipts are
>> handled'?
>> JK:>  Do you have some fancy pre and postflight scripts Jim?
>> JK:>
>> JK:>  Matt
>> JK:>
>> JK:>
>> JK:>  On 16 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Jim Kirkum wrote:
>> JK:>
>> JK:>>  I've built several CS5 app transcripts using radmind and haven't had any
>> JK:>>  issues.  I used the enterprise deployment kit to convert the installers
>> into
>> JK:>>  .pkgs in order to inject license keys and prep for deployment elsewhere
>> JK:>>  before using them with radmind though.
>> JK:>>
>> JK:>>  You can get the deployment kit from:
>> JK:>>
>> JK:>>  http://www.adobe.com/devnet/creativesuite/enterprisedeployment.html
>> JK:>>
>> JK:>>  So far I have built and had success with Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and
>> JK:>>  Photoshop Extended.  I am planning to complete building transcripts for
>> the
>> JK:>>  rest of the suite by the end of the week, so if I run into any issues, I
>> JK:>>  will let you know.
>> JK:>>
>> JK:>>  We are using volume licensing for education.
>> JK:>>
>> JK:>>  I've verified that I can use the same transcripts under 10.5.8 and
>> 10.6.3
>> JK:>>  with a minor change in how receipts are handled.
>> JK:>>
>> JK:>>  Thanks,
>> JK:>>
>> JK:>>  Jim
>> JK:>>
>> JK:>>>  From: coverc<coverc@...>
>> JK:>>>  Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:58:36 -0400
>> JK:>>>  To: Users Radmind Discuss<radmind-users@...>
>> JK:>>>  Subject: [Radmind-users] CS5
>> JK:>>>
>> JK:>>>  Anyone doing or done the CS5 install with RADMIND. I'm seeing some odd
>> JK:>>>  issues here one being that the apps fail to launch on  RADMIND'
>> machines.
>> JK:>
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And looking through the archives I find documentation of the symlink 
issue. These GUI tools need to be updated.

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On 6/17/10 11:32 AM, coverc wrote:
> It appears that there are a set of symbolic links in CS5 that RADMIND is
> breaking Looking at the details of the files, the link has " ???" for
> the original files for a large set of symbolic links. I do hope this is
> not an issue with the 1.13 tools I'm using.
>
>

Yes, the GUI transcript Editor should not be used if you are using Radmind Tools 1.13 or newer.  It would be nice if the GUI tools would be updated, but I wouldn't expect them to be.  They haven't been updated in years and I am not aware of anyone working on that code.  Indeed, I don't even know if the GUI tool code is part of the open source project (haven't looked).  In the previous discussions about the GUI Radmind Tools, no one has stepped forward as being able and willing to put in the time to update/maintain them.  As things currently stand, if you are a Radmind admin, you need to get used to using your text editor of choice to do your Radmind Transcript modifications.  


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On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 , coverc wrote:

> And looking through the archives I find documentation of the symlink 
> issue. These GUI tools need to be updated.
> 
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> On 6/17/10 11:32 AM, coverc wrote:
>> It appears that there are a set of symbolic links in CS5 that RADMIND is
>> breaking Looking at the details of the files, the link has " ???" for
>> the original files for a large set of symbolic links. I do hope this is
>> not an issue with the 1.13 tools I'm using.
>> 
>> 
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This is unfortunate. If this had been the state of affairs when I first 
started out with RADMIND I probably would not have gotten very far with 
it (and it was difficult for me WITH the GUI tools). I suppose there is 
going to be a slow migration to other up to date tools.

I'll just say  that I appreciate the work of the original authors and 
the list without whom I would have had a more stressful experience.

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On 6/17/10 12:10 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
> Yes, the GUI transcript Editor should not be used if you are using 
> Radmind Tools 1.13 or newer.  It would be nice if the GUI tools would 
> be updated, but I wouldn't expect them to be.  They haven't been 
> updated in years and I am not aware of anyone working on that code. 
>  Indeed, I don't even know if the GUI tool code is part of the open 
> source project (haven't looked).  In the previous discussions about 
> the GUI Radmind Tools, no one has stepped forward as being able and 
> willing to put in the time to update/maintain them.  As things 
> currently stand, if you are a Radmind admin, you need to get used to 
> using your text editor of choice to do your Radmind Transcript 
> modifications.
>
>
> Tom "Macintosh Doctor" Johnson
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>
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> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 , coverc wrote:
>
>> And looking through the archives I find documentation of the symlink
>> issue. These GUI tools need to be updated.
>>
>> -- 
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>>
>> On 6/17/10 11:32 AM, coverc wrote:
>>> It appears that there are a set of symbolic links in CS5 that RADMIND is
>>> breaking Looking at the details of the files, the link has " ???" for
>>> the original files for a large set of symbolic links. I do hope this is
>>> not an issue with the 1.13 tools I'm using.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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On 6/17/10 12:10 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>
>  Yes, the GUI transcript Editor should not be used if you are using  
> Radmind Tools 1.13 or newer.  It would be nice if the GUI tools  
> would be updated, but I wouldn't expect them to be.  They haven't  
> been updated in years and I am not aware of anyone working on that  
> code.  Indeed, I don't even know if the GUI tool code is part of  
> the open source project (haven't looked).  In the previous  
> discussions about the GUI Radmind Tools, no one has stepped forward  
> as being able and willing to put in the time to update/maintain  
> them.  As things currently stand, if you are a Radmind admin, you  
> need to get used to using your text editor of choice to do your  
> Radmind Transcript modifications.

I don't think that's an accurate characterization, since the version  
of the GUI in git does in fact work with the latest CLI tools.   
However, none of the radmind tools, GUI or CLI have gotten much  
development recently.

It's a funding issue.  Only a handful of people expressed any  
interest in hearing the developers thoughts on how to fund future  
radmind development, which suggests to me that only a handful of  
people aside from the developers are interested in funding the future  
of radmind development :)

On the other hand, lots of people are interested in using radmind, so  
I don't think lack of funding spells the end of radmind development.   
It just means that development will be done by volunteers as time &  
inclination allows.  University of Michigan funded most radmind  
development for a long time, but no longer does.

:wes

On Jun 18, 2010, at 2:59 PM, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote:
> Does anyone have a Windows 7 negative?  I didn't notice one on the
> radmind wiki, but please feel free to point me to one if I've missed  
> it
> somewhere.

It's unlikely at this point. We may have something usable to share  
later this summer. We're working on getting the tools into a fully- 
functional state, and part of that work will involve getting a  
negative worked out for the 64-bit Windows 7 machines we're hoping to  
manage with radmind.

Dustin

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