Open Biomedical Ontologies

Hi Erick,

I decided to remove the distinction. It was a bit confusing I think  
and was resulting into some awkward need for new classes - e.g.  
temperature.

Was it useful for what you were trying to do ? I can always add a slim  
to help you distinguish these if you really needed.

Best wishes,

George

On 5 Apr 2011, at 14:48, Erick Antezana wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering why 'derived unit' ( UO:0000046) has been "obsoleted"?
>
> Also, the 'base unit' children were "upgraded" and are now direct
> children of 'unit'...
>
> cheers,
> Erick
>
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> smartphone on the nation's most reliable network.
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Whether a unit is derived is always relative to a particular system.
So a derived unit in cgs is different from a derived unit in si. You
might have a look at my presentation - http://tinyurl.com/3egxlln

Without qualification it's confusing and unhelpful.

I'm curious whether the change impacted your work, and exactly how.

Thanks,

-Alan

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering why 'derived unit' ( UO:0000046) has been "obsoleted"?
>
> Also, the 'base unit' children were "upgraded" and are now direct
> children of 'unit'...
>
> cheers,
> Erick
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Xperia(TM) PLAY
> It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming
> smartphone on the nation's most reliable network.
> And it wants your games.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev
> _______________________________________________
> Obo-unit mailing list
> Obo-unit@...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-unit
>

Alan,

I cannot download your presentation. Is it a powerpoint file?

Erick

On 5 April 2011 19:36, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@...> wrote:
> Whether a unit is derived is always relative to a particular system.
> So a derived unit in cgs is different from a derived unit in si. You
> might have a look at my presentation - http://tinyurl.com/3egxlln
>
> Without qualification it's confusing and unhelpful.
>
> I'm curious whether the change impacted your work, and exactly how.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Alan
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was wondering why 'derived unit' ( UO:0000046) has been "obsoleted"?
>>
>> Also, the 'base unit' children were "upgraded" and are now direct
>> children of 'unit'...
>>
>> cheers,
>> Erick
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Xperia(TM) PLAY
>> It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming
>> smartphone on the nation's most reliable network.
>> And it wants your games.
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev
>> _______________________________________________
>> Obo-unit mailing list
>> Obo-unit@...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-unit
>>
>

Hi,

that change might have, first of all, an impact in the mind of my
users since they are already used to deal with two types (categories)
of units: basic/base and derived, being basic (for us) the original
terms under 'base unit' plus the ones we added to that branch (e.g.
foot) --independent of any system. and being ''derived unit' the terms
made up by taking the base ones (e.g. square foot) or a bit more
"complex" such as 'kilogram per cubic meter'. What was the original
definition of those terms (basic unit and derived unit)?

On the other hand, this also has an impact (relatively minor) in the
application (under construction) that is supposed to deal with the
conversion of units (e.g. degree Celsius into Fahrenheit)...

Alan, I was not able to get your slides from your dropbox ... can you
share them in a different way?

cheers,
Erick

On 5 April 2011 19:36, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@...> wrote:
> Whether a unit is derived is always relative to a particular system.
> So a derived unit in cgs is different from a derived unit in si. You
> might have a look at my presentation - http://tinyurl.com/3egxlln
>
> Without qualification it's confusing and unhelpful.
>
> I'm curious whether the change impacted your work, and exactly how.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Alan
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was wondering why 'derived unit' ( UO:0000046) has been "obsoleted"?
>>
>> Also, the 'base unit' children were "upgraded" and are now direct
>> children of 'unit'...
>>
>> cheers,
>> Erick
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Xperia(TM) PLAY
>> It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming
>> smartphone on the nation's most reliable network.
>> And it wants your games.
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev
>> _______________________________________________
>> Obo-unit mailing list
>> Obo-unit@...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-unit
>>
>

Sorry about that - please try this: http://tinyurl.com/3px6z77
-Alan

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
> Alan,
>
> I cannot download your presentation. Is it a powerpoint file?
>
> Erick
>
> On 5 April 2011 19:36, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@...> wrote:
>> Whether a unit is derived is always relative to a particular system.
>> So a derived unit in cgs is different from a derived unit in si. You
>> might have a look at my presentation - http://tinyurl.com/3egxlln
>>
>> Without qualification it's confusing and unhelpful.
>>
>> I'm curious whether the change impacted your work, and exactly how.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was wondering why 'derived unit' ( UO:0000046) has been "obsoleted"?
>>>
>>> Also, the 'base unit' children were "upgraded" and are now direct
>>> children of 'unit'...
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Erick
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Xperia(TM) PLAY
>>> It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming
>>> smartphone on the nation's most reliable network.
>>> And it wants your games.
>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Obo-unit mailing list
>>> Obo-unit@...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-unit
>>>
>>
>

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> that change might have, first of all, an impact in the mind of my
> users since they are already used to deal with two types (categories)
> of units: basic/base and derived, being basic (for us) the original
> terms under 'base unit' plus the ones we added to that branch (e.g.
> foot) --independent of any system. and being ''derived unit' the terms
> made up by taking the base ones (e.g. square foot) or a bit more
> "complex" such as 'kilogram per cubic meter'. What was the original
> definition of those terms (basic unit and derived unit)?

base unit: A unit which is one of a particular measure to which all
measures of that type can be related
derived unit: A unit which is derived from base units.

Any of the units of the same measure could be the base unit as they
all can be related to each other. Which one is base depends, as I
mentioned, on convention.

By (the intended sense of) this definition of derived unit, foot would
be a derived unit if meter is the base unit, as would your example
k/m^3.

But even the units that are written as equations on units of multiple
measures are not unambiguously derived units - the only requirement is
that (according to NIST) that the quantities they measure are mutually
independent. For example which electrical unit is chosen is a matter
of conventions (current, voltage, resistance) and then the others are
derived.

> On the other hand, this also has an impact (relatively minor) in the
> application (under construction) that is supposed to deal with the
> conversion of units (e.g. degree Celsius into Fahrenheit)...

Don't know if you've discussed your approach here, but I know that
there are several people who have takes on how to do this - ccing
Sivaram Arabandi and Melanie Courtot as they have both expressed
opinions. Perhaps there's an opportunity to collaborate...

-Alan

>
> Alan, I was not able to get your slides from your dropbox ... can you
> share them in a different way?
>
> cheers,
> Erick
>
> On 5 April 2011 19:36, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@...> wrote:
>> Whether a unit is derived is always relative to a particular system.
>> So a derived unit in cgs is different from a derived unit in si. You
>> might have a look at my presentation - http://tinyurl.com/3egxlln
>>
>> Without qualification it's confusing and unhelpful.
>>
>> I'm curious whether the change impacted your work, and exactly how.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was wondering why 'derived unit' ( UO:0000046) has been "obsoleted"?
>>>
>>> Also, the 'base unit' children were "upgraded" and are now direct
>>> children of 'unit'...
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Erick
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Xperia(TM) PLAY
>>> It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming
>>> smartphone on the nation's most reliable network.
>>> And it wants your games.
>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Obo-unit mailing list
>>> Obo-unit@...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-unit
>>>
>>
>

thanks for the slides. Very informative...

I will elaborate a bit more on the elements we are considering in our
units terminology:

1. The major categories we're dealing with are:

- dimension (e.g. length)
- unit (e.g.meter)
- ratios (e.g. pH)
- systems (e.g. imperial, metric)
- SI prefixes (e.g. kilo, micro, cf. page 121 in
http://www.bipm.org/utils/common/pdf/si_brochure_8.pdf)

The current UO mixes (from my point of view) those 5 types of notions
(which are definitely related).

I think those notions should be better highlighted and placed in the
current UO (via categories [new terms] for instance)

Example: the term 'crop yield' (which is a measurement we use very often):

- the dimension of this *quantity* is: mass / (length x length) <---
thus, a combination of fundamental dimensions

- one of the possible (and common) *units* for that dimension is:
kg/hectare (other one: tons per acre) depending on the *system*

2. IMHO, I think that the notion of *dimension* should get its place
in an ontology such as UO...moreover, the notion of a *derived
dimension* [1] should be also captured. Some of the basic
(fundamental) dimensions will be: mass, time, length, .... (as it was
originally in UO)

3. quantities without units (dimensionless quantities) such as pH
would also belong to the 'derived' (non-fundamental) category.

4. UO should probably have another name (which considers dimensions) :
dimensions and units are related but do not refer to the same stuff...

5. How is UO being used in the context of OBI? Are you using:
http://ashby.csail.mit.edu/treeview/unit.html ?

6. there is very interesting material at:

   http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM

you'll find interesting things such as the definitions found at
http://www.bipm.org/utils/common/documents/jcgm/JCGM_200_2008.pdf for
instance for basic and derived quantities...

7. I would be happy to collaborate in getting a sounder UO ...

cheers,
Erick

[1] http://books.google.com/books?id=eiQOqS-Q6EkC&lpg=PP1&dq=isbn%3A978-0387915814&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q&f=false


On 6 April 2011 15:23, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@...> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> that change might have, first of all, an impact in the mind of my
>> users since they are already used to deal with two types (categories)
>> of units: basic/base and derived, being basic (for us) the original
>> terms under 'base unit' plus the ones we added to that branch (e.g.
>> foot) --independent of any system. and being ''derived unit' the terms
>> made up by taking the base ones (e.g. square foot) or a bit more
>> "complex" such as 'kilogram per cubic meter'. What was the original
>> definition of those terms (basic unit and derived unit)?
>
> base unit: A unit which is one of a particular measure to which all
> measures of that type can be related
> derived unit: A unit which is derived from base units.
>
> Any of the units of the same measure could be the base unit as they
> all can be related to each other. Which one is base depends, as I
> mentioned, on convention.
>
> By (the intended sense of) this definition of derived unit, foot would
> be a derived unit if meter is the base unit, as would your example
> k/m^3.
>
> But even the units that are written as equations on units of multiple
> measures are not unambiguously derived units - the only requirement is
> that (according to NIST) that the quantities they measure are mutually
> independent. For example which electrical unit is chosen is a matter
> of conventions (current, voltage, resistance) and then the others are
> derived.
>
>> On the other hand, this also has an impact (relatively minor) in the
>> application (under construction) that is supposed to deal with the
>> conversion of units (e.g. degree Celsius into Fahrenheit)...
>
> Don't know if you've discussed your approach here, but I know that
> there are several people who have takes on how to do this - ccing
> Sivaram Arabandi and Melanie Courtot as they have both expressed
> opinions. Perhaps there's an opportunity to collaborate...
>
> -Alan
>
>>
>> Alan, I was not able to get your slides from your dropbox ... can you
>> share them in a different way?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Erick
>>
>> On 5 April 2011 19:36, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@...> wrote:
>>> Whether a unit is derived is always relative to a particular system.
>>> So a derived unit in cgs is different from a derived unit in si. You
>>> might have a look at my presentation - http://tinyurl.com/3egxlln
>>>
>>> Without qualification it's confusing and unhelpful.
>>>
>>> I'm curious whether the change impacted your work, and exactly how.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Alan
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering why 'derived unit' ( UO:0000046) has been "obsoleted"?
>>>>
>>>> Also, the 'base unit' children were "upgraded" and are now direct
>>>> children of 'unit'...
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Erick
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Xperia(TM) PLAY
>>>> It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming
>>>> smartphone on the nation's most reliable network.
>>>> And it wants your games.
>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Obo-unit mailing list
>>>> Obo-unit@...
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-unit
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Erick Antezana
<erick.antezana@...> wrote:
> thanks for the slides. Very informative...
>
> I will elaborate a bit more on the elements we are considering in our
> units terminology:
>
> 1. The major categories we're dealing with are:
>
> - dimension (e.g. length)
> - unit (e.g.meter)
> - ratios (e.g. pH)
> - systems (e.g. imperial, metric)
> - SI prefixes (e.g. kilo, micro, cf. page 121 in
> http://www.bipm.org/utils/common/pdf/si_brochure_8.pdf)
>
> The current UO mixes (from my point of view) those 5 types of notions
> (which are definitely related).

Agreed.

>
> I think those notions should be better highlighted and placed in the
> current UO (via categories [new terms] for instance)

Agreed.

Quick thoughts re: the below.

>
> Example: the term 'crop yield' (which is a measurement we use very often):
>
> - the dimension of this *quantity* is: mass / (length x length) <---
> thus, a combination of fundamental dimensions
>
> - one of the possible (and common) *units* for that dimension is:
> kg/hectare (other one: tons per acre) depending on the *system*

To appropriately capture crop yield you would use some of OBI as well
to define the process/protocol by which the crop is gathered,
measured, etc.

>
> 2. IMHO, I think that the notion of *dimension* should get its place
> in an ontology such as UO...moreover, the notion of a *derived
> dimension* [1] should be also captured. Some of the basic
> (fundamental) dimensions will be: mass, time, length, .... (as it was
> originally in UO)

A bit of a hard problem the derived dimensions wrt to current BFO.
Let's try to work this out.

>
> 3. quantities without units (dimensionless quantities) such as pH
> would also belong to the 'derived' (non-fundamental) category.

I don't see derived as the opposite of fundamental and I suggest you
don't either.
Dimensionless quantities should not be considered unmarked numbers in
the ontology.

>
> 4. UO should probably have another name (which considers dimensions) :
> dimensions and units are related but do not refer to the same stuff...

I don't care about the name.

>
> 5. How is UO being used in the context of OBI? Are you using:
> http://ashby.csail.mit.edu/treeview/unit.html ?

OBI is importing (via MIREOT) leaf units as instances but using the
current UO ids. We also import the classes (e.g. time unit) where
appropriate.

>
> 6. there is very interesting material at:
>
>   http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM

Agreed. I think there are parts of http://www.qudt.org/ we should
steal verbatim.


> you'll find interesting things such as the definitions found at
> http://www.bipm.org/utils/common/documents/jcgm/JCGM_200_2008.pdf for
> instance for basic and derived quantities...

Yes, a nice reference. I have read it before.
Disconnect yourself from the idea that basic and derived as intrinsic
properties of units and instead recognize them as (at least partially)
social constructs.
BIPM is *one* social organization.

> 7. I would be happy to collaborate in getting a sounder UO ...

Great. We should probably plan a meeting of the people who have been
most involved in the discussion at some point, perhaps in Q3 or Q4.

-Alan

>
> cheers,
> Erick
>
> [1] http://books.google.com/books?id=eiQOqS-Q6EkC&lpg=PP1&dq=isbn%3A978-0387915814&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
>
> On 6 April 2011 15:23, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@...> wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> that change might have, first of all, an impact in the mind of my
>>> users since they are already used to deal with two types (categories)
>>> of units: basic/base and derived, being basic (for us) the original
>>> terms under 'base unit' plus the ones we added to that branch (e.g.
>>> foot) --independent of any system. and being ''derived unit' the terms
>>> made up by taking the base ones (e.g. square foot) or a bit more
>>> "complex" such as 'kilogram per cubic meter'. What was the original
>>> definition of those terms (basic unit and derived unit)?
>>
>> base unit: A unit which is one of a particular measure to which all
>> measures of that type can be related
>> derived unit: A unit which is derived from base units.
>>
>> Any of the units of the same measure could be the base unit as they
>> all can be related to each other. Which one is base depends, as I
>> mentioned, on convention.
>>
>> By (the intended sense of) this definition of derived unit, foot would
>> be a derived unit if meter is the base unit, as would your example
>> k/m^3.
>>
>> But even the units that are written as equations on units of multiple
>> measures are not unambiguously derived units - the only requirement is
>> that (according to NIST) that the quantities they measure are mutually
>> independent. For example which electrical unit is chosen is a matter
>> of conventions (current, voltage, resistance) and then the others are
>> derived.
>>
>>> On the other hand, this also has an impact (relatively minor) in the
>>> application (under construction) that is supposed to deal with the
>>> conversion of units (e.g. degree Celsius into Fahrenheit)...
>>
>> Don't know if you've discussed your approach here, but I know that
>> there are several people who have takes on how to do this - ccing
>> Sivaram Arabandi and Melanie Courtot as they have both expressed
>> opinions. Perhaps there's an opportunity to collaborate...
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>>>
>>> Alan, I was not able to get your slides from your dropbox ... can you
>>> share them in a different way?
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Erick
>>>
>>> On 5 April 2011 19:36, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@...> wrote:
>>>> Whether a unit is derived is always relative to a particular system.
>>>> So a derived unit in cgs is different from a derived unit in si. You
>>>> might have a look at my presentation - http://tinyurl.com/3egxlln
>>>>
>>>> Without qualification it's confusing and unhelpful.
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious whether the change impacted your work, and exactly how.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> -Alan
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Erick Antezana <erick.antezana@...> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering why 'derived unit' ( UO:0000046) has been "obsoleted"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, the 'base unit' children were "upgraded" and are now direct
>>>>> children of 'unit'...
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> Erick
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Xperia(TM) PLAY
>>>>> It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming
>>>>> smartphone on the nation's most reliable network.
>>>>> And it wants your games.
>>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Obo-unit mailing list
>>>>> Obo-unit@...
>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-unit
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

On 4 Apr 2011, at 14:07, Erick Antezana wrote:

Thanks for reporting this Erick !

it is now fixed.

George

> Hi,
>
> the latest units ontology file
> (http://obo.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/obo/obo/ontology/phenotype/unit.obo 
> )
> has a duplicated ID:
>
> [Term]
> id: UO:0000178
> name: unit per milliliter
> def: "A unit per milliliter unit which is equal to one unit of an
> agreed arbitrary amount per one milliliter." [Webmd:Webmd
> "http://www.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa74537.asp"]
> subset: unit_slim
> synonym: "U/ml" EXACT []
> is_a: UO:0000177 ! unit per volume unit
> created_by: george gkoutos
>
> [Term]
> id: UO:0000178
> name: milliunits per milliliter
> def: "A unit per milliliter unit which is equal to one thousandth of a
> unit of an agreed arbitrary amount per one milliliter." [UOC:GVG]
> subset: unit_slim
> synonym: "mU/ml" EXACT []
> is_a: UO:0000177 ! unit per volume unit
> created_by: george gkoutos
>
>
>
> is the file edited manually? OBO-Edit?
>
>
> cheers,
> Erick
>
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Hi George,

thanks for fixing the issue about the duplicated ID.

A couple of minor issues that would be great if you could consider to
change/"fix":

1. There is an annoying extra whitespace between some definitions
(text) and their corresponding 'dbxref' :

1465c1439
< def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the mass of
the substance in a mixture as a percentage of the volume of the entire
mixture."  [UOC:GVG]
---
> def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the mass of the substance in a mixture as a percentage of the volume of the entire mixture." [UOC:GVG]
1476c1450
< def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the volume of
the solute in mL per 100 mL of the resulting solution."  [UOC:GVG]
---
> def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the volume of the solute in mL per 100 mL of the resulting solution." [UOC:GVG]
1494c1468
< def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
amount of a given substance in a total amount of 100 regardless of the
units of measure as long as they are the same."  [UOC:GVG]
---
> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of a given substance in a total amount of 100 regardless of the units of measure as long as they are the same." [UOC:GVG]
1504c1478
< def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1000 regardless of
the units of measure as long as they are the same."  [UOC:GVG]
---
> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1000 regardless of the units of measure as long as they are the same." [UOC:GVG]
1514c1488
< def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000 regardless
of the units of measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in
10^[6]."  [UOC:GVG]
---
> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000 regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in 10^[6]." [UOC:GVG]
1524c1498
< def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000
regardless of the units of measure as long as they are the same or 1
part in 10^[9]."  [UOC:GVG]
---
> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000 regardless of the units of measure as long as they are the same or 1 part in 10^[9]." [UOC:GVG]
1534c1508
< def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000
regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same
or 1 part in 10^[12]."  [UOC:GVG]
---
> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000 regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in 10^[12]." [UOC:GVG]
1544c1518
< def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000,000
regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same
or 1 part in 10^[15]."  [UOC:GVG]
---
> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000,000 regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in 10^[15]." [UOC:GVG]


Would it be possible for you to erase them?

2. a few term entries a not sorted (ascending order by term ID) in the
OBO file :

id: UO:0000276
id: UO:0000277
id: UO:0000278
id: UO:0000279

having those terms in a sorted manner would facilitate my diff's ;-)

cheers,
Erick

On 4 April 2011 15:44, George Gkoutos <g.gkoutos@...> wrote:
>
> On 4 Apr 2011, at 14:07, Erick Antezana wrote:
>
> Thanks for reporting this Erick !
>
> it is now fixed.
>
> George
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> the latest units ontology file
>>
>> (http://obo.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/obo/obo/ontology/phenotype/unit.obo)
>> has a duplicated ID:
>>
>> [Term]
>> id: UO:0000178
>> name: unit per milliliter
>> def: "A unit per milliliter unit which is equal to one unit of an
>> agreed arbitrary amount per one milliliter." [Webmd:Webmd
>> "http://www.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa74537.asp"]
>> subset: unit_slim
>> synonym: "U/ml" EXACT []
>> is_a: UO:0000177 ! unit per volume unit
>> created_by: george gkoutos
>>
>> [Term]
>> id: UO:0000178
>> name: milliunits per milliliter
>> def: "A unit per milliliter unit which is equal to one thousandth of a
>> unit of an agreed arbitrary amount per one milliliter." [UOC:GVG]
>> subset: unit_slim
>> synonym: "mU/ml" EXACT []
>> is_a: UO:0000177 ! unit per volume unit
>> created_by: george gkoutos
>>
>>
>>
>> is the file edited manually? OBO-Edit?
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Erick
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Create and publish websites with WebMatrix
>> Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself;
>> WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and
>> publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf
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>
>

Hi Erick,

I think I fixed everything below - please let me know if it is OK now.

Best wishes.

George


On 5 Apr 2011, at 14:25, Erick Antezana wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> thanks for fixing the issue about the duplicated ID.
>
> A couple of minor issues that would be great if you could consider to
> change/"fix":
>
> 1. There is an annoying extra whitespace between some definitions
> (text) and their corresponding 'dbxref' :
>
> 1465c1439
> < def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the mass of
> the substance in a mixture as a percentage of the volume of the entire
> mixture."  [UOC:GVG]
> ---
>> def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the mass of  
>> the substance in a mixture as a percentage of the volume of the  
>> entire mixture." [UOC:GVG]
> 1476c1450
> < def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the volume of
> the solute in mL per 100 mL of the resulting solution."  [UOC:GVG]
> ---
>> def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the volume  
>> of the solute in mL per 100 mL of the resulting solution." [UOC:GVG]
> 1494c1468
> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 100 regardless of the
> units of measure as long as they are the same."  [UOC:GVG]
> ---
>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 100 regardless of  
>> the units of measure as long as they are the same." [UOC:GVG]
> 1504c1478
> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1000 regardless of
> the units of measure as long as they are the same."  [UOC:GVG]
> ---
>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1000 regardless of  
>> the units of measure as long as they are the same." [UOC:GVG]
> 1514c1488
> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000 regardless
> of the units of measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in
> 10^[6]."  [UOC:GVG]
> ---
>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000  
>> regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the  
>> same or 1 part in 10^[6]." [UOC:GVG]
> 1524c1498
> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000
> regardless of the units of measure as long as they are the same or 1
> part in 10^[9]."  [UOC:GVG]
> ---
>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000  
>> regardless of the units of measure as long as they are the same or  
>> 1 part in 10^[9]." [UOC:GVG]
> 1534c1508
> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000
> regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same
> or 1 part in 10^[12]."  [UOC:GVG]
> ---
>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000  
>> regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the  
>> same or 1 part in 10^[12]." [UOC:GVG]
> 1544c1518
> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000,000
> regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same
> or 1 part in 10^[15]."  [UOC:GVG]
> ---
>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000,000  
>> regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the  
>> same or 1 part in 10^[15]." [UOC:GVG]
>
>
> Would it be possible for you to erase them?
>
> 2. a few term entries a not sorted (ascending order by term ID) in the
> OBO file :
>
> id: UO:0000276
> id: UO:0000277
> id: UO:0000278
> id: UO:0000279
>
> having those terms in a sorted manner would facilitate my diff's ;-)
>
> cheers,
> Erick
>
> On 4 April 2011 15:44, George Gkoutos <g.gkoutos@...> wrote:
>>
>> On 4 Apr 2011, at 14:07, Erick Antezana wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for reporting this Erick !
>>
>> it is now fixed.
>>
>> George
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> the latest units ontology file
>>>
>>> (http://obo.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/obo/obo/ontology/phenotype/unit.obo 
>>> )
>>> has a duplicated ID:
>>>
>>> [Term]
>>> id: UO:0000178
>>> name: unit per milliliter
>>> def: "A unit per milliliter unit which is equal to one unit of an
>>> agreed arbitrary amount per one milliliter." [Webmd:Webmd
>>> "http://www.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa74537.asp"]
>>> subset: unit_slim
>>> synonym: "U/ml" EXACT []
>>> is_a: UO:0000177 ! unit per volume unit
>>> created_by: george gkoutos
>>>
>>> [Term]
>>> id: UO:0000178
>>> name: milliunits per milliliter
>>> def: "A unit per milliliter unit which is equal to one thousandth  
>>> of a
>>> unit of an agreed arbitrary amount per one milliliter." [UOC:GVG]
>>> subset: unit_slim
>>> synonym: "mU/ml" EXACT []
>>> is_a: UO:0000177 ! unit per volume unit
>>> created_by: george gkoutos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> is the file edited manually? OBO-Edit?
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Erick
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Create and publish websites with WebMatrix
>>> Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself;
>>> WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and
>>> publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Obo-unit mailing list
>>> Obo-unit@...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-unit
>>
>>

just one more detail (spotted by onto-perl) :

the synonym of the following term should be deleted (it is redundant):

[Term]
id: UO:0000135
name: rad
def: "An absorbed dose unit which is equal to 0.01 gray (Gy)."
[Wikipedia:Wikipedia "http://www.wikipedia.org/"]
subset: unit_slim
synonym: "rad" EXACT []
is_a: UO:0000129 ! absorbed dose unit
created_by: george gkoutos


thanks!
Erick

On 5 April 2011 16:01, George Gkoutos <g.gkoutos@...> wrote:
> Hi Erick,
>
> I think I fixed everything below - please let me know if it is OK now.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> George
>
>
> On 5 Apr 2011, at 14:25, Erick Antezana wrote:
>
>> Hi George,
>>
>> thanks for fixing the issue about the duplicated ID.
>>
>> A couple of minor issues that would be great if you could consider to
>> change/"fix":
>>
>> 1. There is an annoying extra whitespace between some definitions
>> (text) and their corresponding 'dbxref' :
>>
>> 1465c1439
>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the mass of
>> the substance in a mixture as a percentage of the volume of the entire
>> mixture."  [UOC:GVG]
>> ---
>>>
>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the mass of the
>>> substance in a mixture as a percentage of the volume of the entire mixture."
>>> [UOC:GVG]
>>
>> 1476c1450
>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the volume of
>> the solute in mL per 100 mL of the resulting solution."  [UOC:GVG]
>> ---
>>>
>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the volume of the
>>> solute in mL per 100 mL of the resulting solution." [UOC:GVG]
>>
>> 1494c1468
>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 100 regardless of the
>> units of measure as long as they are the same."  [UOC:GVG]
>> ---
>>>
>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of
>>> a given substance in a total amount of 100 regardless of the units of
>>> measure as long as they are the same." [UOC:GVG]
>>
>> 1504c1478
>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1000 regardless of
>> the units of measure as long as they are the same."  [UOC:GVG]
>> ---
>>>
>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of
>>> a given substance in a total amount of 1000 regardless of the units of
>>> measure as long as they are the same." [UOC:GVG]
>>
>> 1514c1488
>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000 regardless
>> of the units of measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in
>> 10^[6]."  [UOC:GVG]
>> ---
>>>
>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of
>>> a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000 regardless of the units of
>>> measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in 10^[6]." [UOC:GVG]
>>
>> 1524c1498
>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000
>> regardless of the units of measure as long as they are the same or 1
>> part in 10^[9]."  [UOC:GVG]
>> ---
>>>
>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of
>>> a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000 regardless of the units
>>> of measure as long as they are the same or 1 part in 10^[9]." [UOC:GVG]
>>
>> 1534c1508
>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000
>> regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same
>> or 1 part in 10^[12]."  [UOC:GVG]
>> ---
>>>
>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of
>>> a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000 regardless of the units
>>> of measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in 10^[12]."
>>> [UOC:GVG]
>>
>> 1544c1518
>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000,000
>> regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same
>> or 1 part in 10^[15]."  [UOC:GVG]
>> ---
>>>
>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the amount of
>>> a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000,000 regardless of the
>>> units of measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in 10^[15]."
>>> [UOC:GVG]
>>
>>
>> Would it be possible for you to erase them?
>>
>> 2. a few term entries a not sorted (ascending order by term ID) in the
>> OBO file :
>>
>> id: UO:0000276
>> id: UO:0000277
>> id: UO:0000278
>> id: UO:0000279
>>
>> having those terms in a sorted manner would facilitate my diff's ;-)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Erick
>>
>> On 4 April 2011 15:44, George Gkoutos <g.gkoutos@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 4 Apr 2011, at 14:07, Erick Antezana wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for reporting this Erick !
>>>
>>> it is now fixed.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> the latest units ontology file
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (http://obo.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/obo/obo/ontology/phenotype/unit.obo)
>>>> has a duplicated ID:
>>>>
>>>> [Term]
>>>> id: UO:0000178
>>>> name: unit per milliliter
>>>> def: "A unit per milliliter unit which is equal to one unit of an
>>>> agreed arbitrary amount per one milliliter." [Webmd:Webmd
>>>> "http://www.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa74537.asp"]
>>>> subset: unit_slim
>>>> synonym: "U/ml" EXACT []
>>>> is_a: UO:0000177 ! unit per volume unit
>>>> created_by: george gkoutos
>>>>
>>>> [Term]
>>>> id: UO:0000178
>>>> name: milliunits per milliliter
>>>> def: "A unit per milliliter unit which is equal to one thousandth of a
>>>> unit of an agreed arbitrary amount per one milliliter." [UOC:GVG]
>>>> subset: unit_slim
>>>> synonym: "mU/ml" EXACT []
>>>> is_a: UO:0000177 ! unit per volume unit
>>>> created_by: george gkoutos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> is the file edited manually? OBO-Edit?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Erick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Create and publish websites with WebMatrix
>>>> Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself;
>>>> WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and
>>>> publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Obo-unit mailing list
>>>> Obo-unit@...
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-unit
>>>
>>>
>
>

Thanks Erick

George

On 6 Apr 2011, at 09:10, Erick Antezana wrote:

> just one more detail (spotted by onto-perl) :
>
> the synonym of the following term should be deleted (it is redundant):
>
> [Term]
> id: UO:0000135
> name: rad
> def: "An absorbed dose unit which is equal to 0.01 gray (Gy)."
> [Wikipedia:Wikipedia "http://www.wikipedia.org/"]
> subset: unit_slim
> synonym: "rad" EXACT []
> is_a: UO:0000129 ! absorbed dose unit
> created_by: george gkoutos
>
>
> thanks!
> Erick
>
> On 5 April 2011 16:01, George Gkoutos <g.gkoutos@...> wrote:
>> Hi Erick,
>>
>> I think I fixed everything below - please let me know if it is OK  
>> now.
>>
>> Best wishes.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> On 5 Apr 2011, at 14:25, Erick Antezana wrote:
>>
>>> Hi George,
>>>
>>> thanks for fixing the issue about the duplicated ID.
>>>
>>> A couple of minor issues that would be great if you could consider  
>>> to
>>> change/"fix":
>>>
>>> 1. There is an annoying extra whitespace between some definitions
>>> (text) and their corresponding 'dbxref' :
>>>
>>> 1465c1439
>>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the mass of
>>> the substance in a mixture as a percentage of the volume of the  
>>> entire
>>> mixture."  [UOC:GVG]
>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the mass  
>>>> of the
>>>> substance in a mixture as a percentage of the volume of the  
>>>> entire mixture."
>>>> [UOC:GVG]
>>>
>>> 1476c1450
>>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the  
>>> volume of
>>> the solute in mL per 100 mL of the resulting solution."  [UOC:GVG]
>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration unit which denotes the volume  
>>>> of the
>>>> solute in mL per 100 mL of the resulting solution." [UOC:GVG]
>>>
>>> 1494c1468
>>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 100 regardless of  
>>> the
>>> units of measure as long as they are the same."  [UOC:GVG]
>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>>>> amount of
>>>> a given substance in a total amount of 100 regardless of the  
>>>> units of
>>>> measure as long as they are the same." [UOC:GVG]
>>>
>>> 1504c1478
>>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1000 regardless of
>>> the units of measure as long as they are the same."  [UOC:GVG]
>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>>>> amount of
>>>> a given substance in a total amount of 1000 regardless of the  
>>>> units of
>>>> measure as long as they are the same." [UOC:GVG]
>>>
>>> 1514c1488
>>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000  
>>> regardless
>>> of the units of measure used as long as they are the same or 1  
>>> part in
>>> 10^[6]."  [UOC:GVG]
>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>>>> amount of
>>>> a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000 regardless of  
>>>> the units of
>>>> measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in  
>>>> 10^[6]." [UOC:GVG]
>>>
>>> 1524c1498
>>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000
>>> regardless of the units of measure as long as they are the same or 1
>>> part in 10^[9]."  [UOC:GVG]
>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>>>> amount of
>>>> a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000 regardless  
>>>> of the units
>>>> of measure as long as they are the same or 1 part in  
>>>> 10^[9]." [UOC:GVG]
>>>
>>> 1534c1508
>>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000
>>> regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same
>>> or 1 part in 10^[12]."  [UOC:GVG]
>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>>>> amount of
>>>> a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000 regardless  
>>>> of the units
>>>> of measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in 10^[12]."
>>>> [UOC:GVG]
>>>
>>> 1544c1518
>>> < def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the
>>> amount of a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000,000
>>> regardless of the units of measure used as long as they are the same
>>> or 1 part in 10^[15]."  [UOC:GVG]
>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> def: "A dimensionless concentration notation which denotes the  
>>>> amount of
>>>> a given substance in a total amount of 1,000,000,000,000  
>>>> regardless of the
>>>> units of measure used as long as they are the same or 1 part in  
>>>> 10^[15]."
>>>> [UOC:GVG]
>>>
>>>
>>> Would it be possible for you to erase them?
>>>
>>> 2. a few term entries a not sorted (ascending order by term ID) in  
>>> the
>>> OBO file :
>>>
>>> id: UO:0000276
>>> id: UO:0000277
>>> id: UO:0000278
>>> id: UO:0000279
>>>
>>> having those terms in a sorted manner would facilitate my diff's ;-)
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Erick
>>>
>>> On 4 April 2011 15:44, George Gkoutos <g.gkoutos@...>  
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 4 Apr 2011, at 14:07, Erick Antezana wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for reporting this Erick !
>>>>
>>>> it is now fixed.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> the latest units ontology file
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (http://obo.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/obo/obo/ontology/phenotype/unit.obo 
>>>>> )
>>>>> has a duplicated ID:
>>>>>
>>>>> [Term]
>>>>> id: UO:0000178
>>>>> name: unit per milliliter
>>>>> def: "A unit per milliliter unit which is equal to one unit of an
>>>>> agreed arbitrary amount per one milliliter." [Webmd:Webmd
>>>>> "http://www.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa74537.asp"]
>>>>> subset: unit_slim
>>>>> synonym: "U/ml" EXACT []
>>>>> is_a: UO:0000177 ! unit per volume unit
>>>>> created_by: george gkoutos
>>>>>
>>>>> [Term]
>>>>> id: UO:0000178
>>>>> name: milliunits per milliliter
>>>>> def: "A unit per milliliter unit which is equal to one  
>>>>> thousandth of a
>>>>> unit of an agreed arbitrary amount per one milliliter." [UOC:GVG]
>>>>> subset: unit_slim
>>>>> synonym: "mU/ml" EXACT []
>>>>> is_a: UO:0000177 ! unit per volume unit
>>>>> created_by: george gkoutos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> is the file edited manually? OBO-Edit?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> Erick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Create and publish websites with WebMatrix
>>>>> Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself;
>>>>> WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and
>>>>> publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Obo-unit mailing list
>>>>> Obo-unit@...
>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-unit
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>