is a bit more optimistic than yours. I think that it can be a
wonderful tool to enhance a site, but it should never be relied on.
was complaining about Mantis' lack of form validation. With the way
our intranet is set up, if you miss a required field in a form and hit
the back button, the entire form is cleared. Rather than re-writing
validate the form. It is a circumstance that would ease the user
experience, but isn't required for the application to function.
As someone else pointed out, I said in my original post that "Graceful
degradation is an obvious requirement," and I stick to that. If it
your user base. It's the same reason I'm not a fan of flash.
On 10/29/07, David A. Desrosiers <desrod@...> wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 20:05 -0700, Victor Boctor wrote:
> > I've always noticed that there are people who are hard core about
> > the move to Web 2.0. Do all these web 2.0 websites have graceful
> > degradation?
> websites now have forms where standard elements like
> the Submit button or dropdown selections are only
> Google does this quite a bit within their "web
> applications", and it restricts function, when there
> is a perfectly functional alternative that has been
> around for a decade.
> - With more and more "always online" devices being released,
> PDAs, etc.), more people are going to be using the web
> scrapers, text-to-speech devices and similar. With more and
> more disabled people joining the Web, and more people writing
> tools to aggregate data between systems (see Web 2.0 below),
> Remember, not everyone has a GUI, or even a graphical
> - Contrary to the popular misconception, Web 2.0 has absolutely
> Web 2.0 is based on convergence of applications, systems,
> and data. AJAX (which is really just a collection of
> existing technologies to provide the user's with a "rich
> client experience"), is a key component of some of the Web
> 2.0 applications such as Flickr, Google Maps and so on, but
> it is not a component of Web 2.0 itself.
> of people using it, but like any programming language, there
> are hundreds of thousands of people also using it
> which is clean, leak-free, and audited by some process to
> ensure that, it will continue to be fraught with problems.
> - There is a growing (not shrinking) number of people who are
> malware and a platform for delivering malware to clients.
> Popups, popunders, xSS attacks, stolen cookies, hijacked
> browser sessions and more. There is a magnitude more problems
> over the last 4+ years of data collection, including Google
> Analytics, for roughly 1/2 million unique visitors, we've seen
> a steady, but constant dropoff in the number of people who are
> visiting our websites with Javscript-enabled browsers.
> by all means, dress up the application with it...
> page elements, or to show the user the data they expected.. you better
> be sure there's a fallback for the large number of users who use your
> devices and platforms.
> David A. Desrosiers
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