LXDE - Lightweight X Desktop Environment

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 22:37:50 -0400
Jonathan Nadeau <j.nadeau@...> wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> i was wondering is there a way that i can save the session? This way
> whatever programs i have running before shutdown will start back up when
> I turn the computer back on. Thanks for your time and help. 

Hi,

I don't know about a mean to save a session in Lxde. I have seen this option in Xfce
(but I didn't have a clue about what it is for). 

Is your computer capable to do hibernation ? That would be a solution (the swap partition
needs to be at least as large as the amount of ram, or little above).

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:17:54 -0400
Jonathan Nadeau <j.nadeau@...> wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> Sorry for all the questions. I'm a blind linux user and the nautilus
> file browser is the only accessible file manager. I have Nautilus
> installed but how do I make it the default file manager system wide?
> Also I need it to be the file manager when I plug in a removable drive.
> When I plug in the drive it asks me if I want to open it with the file
> manager but right now Pcmanfm is the default file manager. I need this
> to be nautilus. Thanks again for all of your time and help.

Hi,

It might be helpful to know what distribution, version number distribution and desktop
environment are in use in your system.

Else, if you are a blind linux user, perhaps would you want to ask advice and information
from this one advanced blind linux user ? =>
http://accelibreinfo.eu/?fr/contact

I have pointed to the contact form on purpose.

Regards,
Mélodie

Greetings Mélodie, Jonathan, and all,

Jonathan is actually a pioneer among the blind and other blind persons 
like myself are following right in his footsteps. We are starting to get 
tired of bloated interfaces interfeering with our productivity.

Being from Brazil, I am myself also bothered with how many among the 
blind in developing countries will be forced to use inferior software or 
simply have no access to technology due to their slower computers if we 
do not explore more efficient options such as LXDE.

Your suggestion that he contact Jean-Philippe Mengual is a good one, I 
have discussed a couple of F123 things with him. But in the case of LXDE 
info, I suspect that Jonathan is already ahead of most of us.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us,

Fernando
http://F123.org/fr


On 10/26/2012 10:27 PM, meets@... wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:17:54 -0400
> Jonathan Nadeau <j.nadeau@...> wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> Sorry for all the questions. I'm a blind linux user and the nautilus
>> file browser is the only accessible file manager. I have Nautilus
>> installed but how do I make it the default file manager system wide?
>> Also I need it to be the file manager when I plug in a removable drive.
>> When I plug in the drive it asks me if I want to open it with the file
>> manager but right now Pcmanfm is the default file manager. I need this
>> to be nautilus. Thanks again for all of your time and help.
>
> Hi,
>
> It might be helpful to know what distribution, version number distribution and desktop
> environment are in use in your system.
>
> Else, if you are a blind linux user, perhaps would you want to ask advice and information
> from this one advanced blind linux user ? =>
> http://accelibreinfo.eu/?fr/contact
>
> I have pointed to the contact form on purpose.
>
> Regards,
> Mélodie
>
>
>
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Hello!

Fernando H. F. Botelho has written on Saturday, 27 October, at  0:04:
>Greetings Mélodie, Jonathan, and all,

>Jonathan is actually a pioneer among the blind and other blind persons 
>like myself are following right in his footsteps. We are starting to get 
>tired of bloated interfaces interfeering with our productivity.

>Being from Brazil, I am myself also bothered with how many among the 
>blind in developing countries will be forced to use inferior software or 
>simply have no access to technology due to their slower computers if we 
>do not explore more efficient options such as LXDE.

>Your suggestion that he contact Jean-Philippe Mengual is a good one, I 
>have discussed a couple of F123 things with him. But in the case of LXDE 
>info, I suspect that Jonathan is already ahead of most of us.

    As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
too.

    With best regards.
    Andriy.

On 10/27/2012 02:34 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>     Hello!
>
> Fernando H. F. Botelho has written on Saturday, 27 October, at  0:04:
>> Greetings Mélodie, Jonathan, and all,
>> Jonathan is actually a pioneer among the blind and other blind persons 
>> like myself are following right in his footsteps. We are starting to get 
>> tired of bloated interfaces interfeering with our productivity.
>> Being from Brazil, I am myself also bothered with how many among the 
>> blind in developing countries will be forced to use inferior software or 
>> simply have no access to technology due to their slower computers if we 
>> do not explore more efficient options such as LXDE.
>> Your suggestion that he contact Jean-Philippe Mengual is a good one, I 
>> have discussed a couple of F123 things with him. But in the case of LXDE 
>> info, I suspect that Jonathan is already ahead of most of us.
>     As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
> too.

Andriy,

That's Awesome! We would love for pcmanfm to be accessible. That is the
only reason why i was trying to get nautilus to be the default file
manager. It seems that not all of pcmanfm is accessible to the Orca
screen reader. When I click on the file manager under accessories it
opens and Orca notices this but I can't read anything once the file
manager is open. Also if i plug in a removable drive pcmanfm opens it
and Orca sees that it is open but Irca can't read to me the files that i
have on my removable drive. My wife tells me that she can see the files
on my removable drive and she can see the different files being
highlighted when I arrow over them but Orca doesn't read the files that
i'm moving over. If you need me to try anything out for you please let
me know. Thank you so much for your help and concern.

     
>
>     With best regards.
>     Andriy.
>
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Hello!

Jonathan Nadeau has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 15:05:
>On 10/27/2012 02:34 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>>     As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
>> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
>> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
>> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
>> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
>> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
>> too.

>That's Awesome! We would love for pcmanfm to be accessible. That is the
>only reason why i was trying to get nautilus to be the default file
>manager. It seems that not all of pcmanfm is accessible to the Orca
>screen reader. When I click on the file manager under accessories it
>opens and Orca notices this but I can't read anything once the file
>manager is open. Also if i plug in a removable drive pcmanfm opens it
>and Orca sees that it is open but Irca can't read to me the files that i
>have on my removable drive. My wife tells me that she can see the files
>on my removable drive and she can see the different files being
>highlighted when I arrow over them but Orca doesn't read the files that
>i'm moving over. If you need me to try anything out for you please let
>me know. Thank you so much for your help and concern.

    In the current git source implemented tooltip for the file which is
currently pointed by mouse. May be it will allow Orca to recognize the
file. Not sure if it will work as you need though. From reading all the
documentation on accessability I see that each subwindow has to have a
description which is absent right now. Also selection state of each item
should be reported to accessible interface as well. All of that I'll try
to implement in version 1.1.0, first edition of which will be available
to test sometime later - probably at end of year 2012. Tell me, please,
if something else should be implemented as well.

    With best regards.
    Andriy.

I agree. I also would like to use PCManFM, it is much faster than Nautilus.

Thanks very much for your offer of help Andriy,

Fernando


On 10/27/2012 05:05 PM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
> On 10/27/2012 02:34 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>>      Hello!
>>
>> Fernando H. F. Botelho has written on Saturday, 27 October, at  0:04:
>>> Greetings Mélodie, Jonathan, and all,
>>> Jonathan is actually a pioneer among the blind and other blind persons
>>> like myself are following right in his footsteps. We are starting to get
>>> tired of bloated interfaces interfeering with our productivity.
>>> Being from Brazil, I am myself also bothered with how many among the
>>> blind in developing countries will be forced to use inferior software or
>>> simply have no access to technology due to their slower computers if we
>>> do not explore more efficient options such as LXDE.
>>> Your suggestion that he contact Jean-Philippe Mengual is a good one, I
>>> have discussed a couple of F123 things with him. But in the case of LXDE
>>> info, I suspect that Jonathan is already ahead of most of us.
>>      As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
>> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
>> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
>> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
>> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
>> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
>> too.
>
> Andriy,
>
> That's Awesome! We would love for pcmanfm to be accessible. That is the
> only reason why i was trying to get nautilus to be the default file
> manager. It seems that not all of pcmanfm is accessible to the Orca
> screen reader. When I click on the file manager under accessories it
> opens and Orca notices this but I can't read anything once the file
> manager is open. Also if i plug in a removable drive pcmanfm opens it
> and Orca sees that it is open but Irca can't read to me the files that i
> have on my removable drive. My wife tells me that she can see the files
> on my removable drive and she can see the different files being
> highlighted when I arrow over them but Orca doesn't read the files that
> i'm moving over. If you need me to try anything out for you please let
> me know. Thank you so much for your help and concern.
>
>
>>
>>      With best regards.
>>      Andriy.
>>
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Have you tried using Accerciser to poke at what PCManFM exposes in a 
more directed manner?

https://live.gnome.org/Accerciser
http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/make-your-application-accessible-accerciser

On 12-10-27 05:46 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>
>      In the current git source implemented tooltip for the file which is
> currently pointed by mouse. May be it will allow Orca to recognize the
> file. Not sure if it will work as you need though. From reading all the
> documentation on accessability I see that each subwindow has to have a
> description which is absent right now. Also selection state of each item
> should be reported to accessible interface as well. All of that I'll try
> to implement in version 1.1.0, first edition of which will be available
> to test sometime later - probably at end of year 2012. Tell me, please,
> if something else should be implemented as well.
>

Hello!

Stephan Sokolow has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 18:00:
>Have you tried using Accerciser to poke at what PCManFM exposes in a 
>more directed manner?

>https://live.gnome.org/Accerciser
>http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/make-your-application-accessible-accerciser

    Never. The accessability is a very new field for me. Thank you for
pointing me out on those articles.

    WBR, Andriy.

On 10/27/2012 05:46 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>     Hello!
>
> Jonathan Nadeau has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 15:05:
>> On 10/27/2012 02:34 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>>>     As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
>>> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
>>> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
>>> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
>>> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
>>> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
>>> too.
>> That's Awesome! We would love for pcmanfm to be accessible. That is the
>> only reason why i was trying to get nautilus to be the default file
>> manager. It seems that not all of pcmanfm is accessible to the Orca
>> screen reader. When I click on the file manager under accessories it
>> opens and Orca notices this but I can't read anything once the file
>> manager is open. Also if i plug in a removable drive pcmanfm opens it
>> and Orca sees that it is open but Irca can't read to me the files that i
>> have on my removable drive. My wife tells me that she can see the files
>> on my removable drive and she can see the different files being
>> highlighted when I arrow over them but Orca doesn't read the files that
>> i'm moving over. If you need me to try anything out for you please let
>> me know. Thank you so much for your help and concern.
>     In the current git source implemented tooltip for the file which is
> currently pointed by mouse. May be it will allow Orca to recognize the
> file. Not sure if it will work as you need though. From reading all the
> documentation on accessability I see that each subwindow has to have a
> description which is absent right now. Also selection state of each item
> should be reported to accessible interface as well. All of that I'll try
> to implement in version 1.1.0, first edition of which will be available
> to test sometime later - probably at end of year 2012. Tell me, please,
> if something else should be implemented as well.

I think if you do these two things that should take care of it. Also if
you run pcmanfm through exsersizer this will help a lot. When it is
ready please email me off the list or just let us know on the list that
it is ready to test.

 
>
>     With best regards.
>     Andriy.
>
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Hi Andrej

    As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
> too.
>

I'm an ex nautilus user and now long time pcmanfm user, just wanted to say
the only feature
I miss from nautilus is the option to use two views so it's simple to copy
/ move files without
changing tab.

Thank you for your great job, cheers,
Giuseppe.

Agreed. The one thing about Dolphin (KDE 4's default file manager) which 
I've always envied (Even when I was using KDE 4, I used Konqueror) is 
the simple "toggle split view on/off" toolbar button.

(I say Konqueror lacks it because it's got a hugely powerful split 
system but it's awkward if you just want to split for a moment, do some 
copying, and then unsplit.)

PCManFM also falls short in that you can't use the Directory Tree 
sidebar view as a drag-and-drop target for efficiently sorting a folder 
full of files into a variety of folders in varying places and at varying 
depths into the filesystem so, for me, it may as well not exist.

On 12-10-28 03:23 AM, Giuseppe Penone wrote:
> Hi Andrej
>
>          As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would
>     be very
>     glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
>     users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
>     PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
>     is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as
>     Nautilus or
>     Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind
>     users
>     too.
>
>
> I'm an ex nautilus user and now long time pcmanfm user, just wanted to
> say the only feature
> I miss from nautilus is the option to use two views so it's simple to
> copy / move files without
> changing tab.
>
> Thank you for your great job, cheers,
> Giuseppe.
>
>
>
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>
>
>

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:14:55 -0400
Jonathan Nadeau <j.nadeau@...> wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> I was wondering if some one could help me with guiding me on how to add
> or remove an item from the menu. For example if I wanted to add an item
> to system tools how would I do that? Also how would I remove an item
> from system tools. One last thing how would i add or  remove one of the
> menu items such as system tool or internet? Also how could I add 
> something to this part of the menu. Your time and help is greatly
> appreciated.


Hello Jonathan, 

the files ruling menus are in /usr/share/applications. When I want to change one's menu
category I compare with one file from there belonging to one category and I change the
content of the line "Category=some categories". If you want to remove one you may rename
it to "itself-back" or just delete it, and you will need to redo it each time there will
be an update for the package where it belongs to.

If you just need to modify it, you can copy the modified desktop file
to /home/you/.local/share/applications (create these directories under ~/.local/ if
needed).

Regards,
Mélodie

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On 24/10/12 01:37, Dustin Hess wrote:
> Is there a reason that .torrent files for the 12.10 downloads haven't
>  been released? I'd be willing to create dht .torrent files for each
> and host them.
>
They were released at the same time as everything else, 18-Oct-2012 
11:40 ish.   In fact I've been seeding them since then. See:-


http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.10/release/

On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:37:50 -0500
Dustin Hess <hessmo@...> wrote:

> Is there a reason that .torrent files for the 12.10 downloads haven't been
> released? I'd be willing to create dht .torrent files for each and host
> them.


Is there any reason why you ask this on the Lxde mailing list ? Since when Lxde is the
same thing as Ubuntu ???

I also might as why there is not torrent file for Archlinux latest, Gentoo, Sabayon, or
whatever distro ??

And what about "Hi" and "Thank you" ??

Thank you.

Le 22/10/2012 21:36, Andrej N. Gritsenko a écrit :
>    
>      There is a bug report in pcmanfm tracker. The report mentions issue
> about item activation. The current behavior mimics Thunar - only current
> item is activated (by double-click, hitting 'Enter', etc.). Though other
> file managers (tested Nautilus, Dolphin, and Xfe) work otherwise - all
> selected items are activated at once. A decision is required - should we
> still follow Thunar path or do as other FMs do? I'm agree with reporter,
> the behavior of Thunar is incostistent.
>
I think also like the reporter than if you select several items, if you 
double click or press enter, all the items should be opened. IMO, as 
long as more than 1 item are selected, any actions done by the user 
should be on all items, not the last one.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

…> On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:30:27 +0300
> "Andrej N. Gritsenko" <andrej@...> wrote:
> 
> >     Hello!
> > 
> > Jonathan Nadeau has written on Wednesday, 17 October, at  7:15:
> 
> Andrej if you make one for "Computer" on the same model, would you please send a copy to
> me ? I would add it to the collection.
> 
> Regards,
> Mélodie

Sorry, I meant Jonathan ! f you make one for "Computer"  …

Hello!

meets@... has written on Wednesday, 17 October, at 13:56:
>Or you can get the one I provided here, which are in use, and have also translations:
>http://meets.free.fr/debian/Configurations/home.desktop

>http://meets.free.fr/debian/Configurations/trash.desktop

>Andriy : your trash can would look always full. ;)

Yes, I know. That was just an example. And trash can is often not empty. :)

>Andrej if you make one for "Computer" on the same model, would you please send a copy to
>me ? I would add it to the collection.

It's easy. Add your translation if you want. :)

[Desktop Entry]
Icon=computer
Name=Computer
Type=Link
URL=computer:/

    With best wishes.
    Andriy.