Just quick notes because this is getting lengthy (and we'd better get
the stuff done ;) ).
On 2007-October-30 , at 04:28 , bulia byak wrote:
> On 10/29/07, jiho <jo.irisson@...> wrote:
>> The biggest default of the Tango icons (apparently) is that they are
>> less contrasted than the current set... which some could view as a
>> quality of being less disturbing but that's a whole other story ;)
>> Anyway, contrast could be improved in the Tango ones. They need to be
>> tweaked anyway to fit Inkscape's pixel size requirements so tweaking
>> them a bit more should not be a problem in itself.
> Any tweaking is work. A lot of work. With 750+ unclosed bugs, I really
> think we have more important things to do right now than improving
> some proposed poor icon set when our current one is already better.
I completely agree with that but I just think that closing bugs and
improving icons (or documentation, or translations etc.) simply does
not involve the same persons. People with no programming skills can
help there and it won't drain manpower away from bug closing. On the
contrary, I even think it can get people involved in the project and
maybe, in time, turn them into bug squashers.
>> I think the unification of UI is not so much a matter of comparing
>> Inskcape with Gimp and Scribus but rather Inkscape with the rest of
>> GTK (and even QT) apps out there.
> The more apps you compare, the less meaningful is the comparison. We
> have a number of tools that are similar with Gimp, less so with
> Scribus, and still less for other apps. In the end, it's just the
> standard Save and Open icons that are truly common to all apps;
> everything else is very different in purpose and scope.
Once again, I am not necessarily advocating using the exact same
icons (except for Open, Save and such indeed) but rather draw icons
that visually fit Tango ones. Tango icons of the ArtLibre set have
the merit of being there already and can be used as a base but the
overall goal is really purely visual: to have Inkscape blend in
nicely, particularly on Linux but also on other systems.
It may seem futile but if there are enough people willing to put time
in it, why not? And of course I don't personally think it is as
futile as it may seem. Having a unified, consistent UI is, in part,
what differentiates a "desktop" from a bunch of unrelated
applications, each running in its own direction. It is what make me
like OS X. It is what I would like to see on Linux. Of course the
point of a Desktop is to have apps interacting nicely and behaving
the same way, not just "look" the same. The look can appear to be
secondary but once again, it just does not involve the same people.
So if some can make the look consistent while other tackle the more
profound behavioral part (verse plugins etc.), that's all benefit
>> My last point is probably just a matter of taste (and I may well have
>> bad taste ;)) but I find the Tango theme more pleasant visually than
>> the current set. Even if I agree that the current set does its job
>> well, I find it very flashy and cartoonesque with its bunch of colors
>> and black outlines. Working with icons that are less catchy, more
>> subtle in their colors and gradients, makes it easier to focus on the
>> canvas, where the real stuff happens, than on the rest of the
> I agree, but Tango does not achieve this goal IMHO. It's too half-way,
> too inconsistent in itself, too clunky and plain boring. Instead, what
> I always dreamed of (maybe one day when I don't have anything better
> to do in Inkscape...) is an alternative set with purely B/W icons. Not
> even grayscale, but B/W, with everything expressed via pure shape and
> outline. If well done, it can look very stylish and unique. But Tango
> seems to me like a watered-down milk: why drink that if you can have
> pure milk or pure water instead?
Nice analogy. Well, it is really a matter of taste. I actually know
people who prefer watery, cream-free milk ;). I personally quite like
Tango icons. I would also love a pure black and white or subtle gray
theme. Tango goes the pastel way. It is a sensible choice to keep
color for most apps and it is already an improvement over flashy
colors with no predefined palette. Improvement is a step-by-step