Thanks for the info. I have tried to cross-compile Jeeps, and it needed =
some libraries into specific directories for things to work. I am =
familiar with Windows, where if a DLL is in the same directory as the =
.EXE, everybody is happy. On Linux, shared libraries should go outside =
The 64MB RAM that gumstix has, was 5-10 years ago our desktop computer! =
I can understand that it will have a hard time recompiling GNOME or KDE, =
(my desktop computer has), but I can understand that there will be =
As for the CE port, I hear about this for months, but still no progress. =
My point of view is that it is not a good idea to do such a thing, "in =
our leisure time". Even if some people will succeed, then they will =
create a CE image, which will cost, (I think Micro$oft charges $3-$5 if =
no GUI is involved) or create a project for Platform Builder, which =
means that everyone needs a $1000 piece of software.
My point of view is that this is Gumstix's job. They should do it, or =
outsource it, and supply it as an option with their boards. It would be =
great to have this (Windows CE) in such a low-cost board.
I use gumstix to replace microcontrollers in my hobby electronics =
projects. It is good to have Bluetooth, networking, tons of memory, fast =
processor (compared to 8-bit microcontrollers). But, most companies, =
charge thousands for their "development" boards. Gumstix is much more =
reasonable, but their new XM-Bluetooth, starts to climb in price. I know =
that hardware costs, but if I reach the point that the gumstix + =
expansion board + windowsCE reaches the 250+ point, I buy a new PDA, =
take its guts out, and there is my computer!
From: gumstix-users-admin@... =
[mailto:gumstix-users-admin@...] On Behalf Of Dave =
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Gumstix-users] Newbie: Program Size in Flash?
> I am not that familiar with Linux development. I am much used to =
Windows, and I find it difficult to figure out where to put files after =
you complete the build with cross-compiler. The documentation of linux, =
sometimes assumes that you have to be THE linux user, if you come to =
cross-compiling. All how-to guides, mention just "make && make install" =
as a solution to all. If not, dig deep to the makefile to see what is =
needed and on which directory.
Well, ask questions on the list. There is no such thing as a dumb
question, just dumb answers.
There are a few things that really need to go in certain places
because that's where other things expect to find them. For a lot of
stuff, it really doesn't matter, and you can put it where it makes the
most sense to you. This is especially true on the embedded systems.
> Maybe it is a good idea for Gumstix, (if other people find =
difficulties there also, and I am not the only one) to create an MMC =
(128/256MB) charge let's say, $30-$50 in addition to the MMC cost, that =
will have a ready-made cut-down gcc compiler, (cut-down means use only =
files/headers needed) that we can chroot to it, and work. I assume =
chroot is the way to go, since I know that you have to copy things to =
/usr/... directories to make things work.
You could fit the entire thing on a 128Mb MMC card, and there wouldn't
be any need to copy anything into /usr. The compiler could just run
off the MMC card.
One thing to be aware of though, the compiler can be fairly memory
intensive as well, so you would have to limit the size/complexity of
some of the compilation stuff being done.
> The other (HERETIC) way is to supply Windows CE for this board. I hate =
to say to all Linux fans, I am NOT trying to start a Windows vs. Linux =
debate, but the new Visual Studio 2005, is something you get addicted =
to. It is sooo smooth, to compile, deploy and debug applications =
directly to a Pocket PC. Write a piece of code inside an IDE, press F5, =
and compilation / deployment are automatic. Debugger is ready to =
I've heard rumors that somebody is working on a Windows CE port.
P.S. The debugger on the gumstix works too.
Vancouver, BC, Canada
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