Audacity

On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 12:05:42AM -0700, Dominic Mazzoni wrote:

> * The Waveform dB display works, but doesn't allow zooming.
>   I changed the dB range to -36...0, because the view we had
>   before (-90...0) was not very useful in my opinion.  I'd be
>   happy if somebody wants to make this a preference - all of
>   the code that uses it is abstracted now, and the #define is in
>   Envelope.h

It's useful depending on circumstances... mostly I'd like the
displayed range to stop changing every three months :-) A year ago it
was -45 dB, then became -90, now -36... 

That said, the envelope editing I do I nearly always do in dB mode,
and I need to see down to -140 dB.  Seriously.  I do postprod
nonlinear editing on 24 bit live masters long before I get to postprod
filtering, like dynamic compression, normalization, limiting, etc.

OTOH, there are certainly samples where 140 (or even 90) is way too
much.  90 was a good compromise if not perfect.  At 36 dB, I only have
7 bits of useful display depth on a 24 bit sample.

Of course I can build this myself, good to know it's a single #define
at worst.  I'm offering a datapoint as there certainly are uses out
there for deep display.

Monty


> 
> I can't imagine that I didn't introduce a bug or two.  Please let
> me know what you find.  I do think it's complete and stable enough
> that it won't get in the way of 1.2.0, though.
> 
> - Dominic
> 
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Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Is it possible to compile Audacity with mingw at all?

In theory, yes.  So far 2 people have attempted, got it to
compile, but not run.

While it's tempting to use free tools, the fact is that right
now, no version of gcc for Windows produces code that's anywhere
near as optimized or as small as Microsoft's compiler.  I have
no idea why, but you can check the wxWindows mailing lists for
lots of testimonials to that effect.

I would be more than happy to help support compiling on Windows
with gcc if somebody wants to work on it.  But getting it to
work the first time would not be a trivial task - I estimate it
would be a week's worth of work for someone who's very familiar
with both Audacity, Mingw, and wxWindows.

- Dominic

Robert Terwilliger wrote:

> I would like to obtain the source code for Audacity and consider
> contributing to project development. Just one week ago I discovered
> Audacity and have since installed it on both my Mac OS X and PC
> systems.

Welcome!  Use CVS to get the current Audacity source code:

  http://audacity.sourceforge.net/cvs.php?lang=en

If you have any questions or problems setting up CVS, just let us know
and we can help out.  For Windows, the file win/compile.txt contains
useful information for building Audacity.  For MacOS X, Dominic Mazzoni
can let you know if there are any special steps needed.

On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 21:45, Dominic Mazzoni wrote:
> I need help.
> 
> Filtering the Audacity mailing lists has become a part-time job.
> So far in June the lists have received about 200 messages that
> are caught by SF's mail filter - either they're too large (usually
> a virus/worm like Klez) or they're not sent by a list member
> (now that it's a members-only list).  In the past week it's been
> getting worse - more than 10 a day.
> 
> Every single message triggers an email - currently going to my
> inbox, and requires me to click on a link, type in the list
> password, scroll through the page, click on a tiny radio button
> for "delete", and then hit "Submit".

Ack!  Why not just dump the message automatically and send notification
to the sender that you have done so?  Mailman supports this, doesn't
it?  If it's a legitimate email, the sender will take the necessary
steps (subscribing and/or attaching less) for the message to go
through.  If it's spam or a virus, there's no harm done since you would
have just dropped it anyway.

Josh

Joshua Haberman wrote:
> Ack!  Why not just dump the message automatically and send notification
> to the sender that you have done so?  Mailman supports this, doesn't
> it?

Mailman may or may not support this, but the version used by
Sourceforge does not seem to make this option available.  They
only allow you to specify filters that will automatically hold
a message for approval.  (The MailMan version number they claim
is 2.0.9-sf.net)

- Dominic

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:00:10 -0700
Dominic Mazzoni <dominic@...> wrote:

> Joshua Haberman wrote:
> > Ack!  Why not just dump the message automatically and send
> > notification to the sender that you have done so?  Mailman
> > supports this, doesn't it?
> 
> Mailman may or may not support this, but the version used by
> Sourceforge does not seem to make this option available.  They
> only allow you to specify filters that will automatically hold
> a message for approval.  (The MailMan version number they claim
> is 2.0.9-sf.net)

Did you try to contact to SF Team?

-- 
Alexandre Prokoudine
ALT Linux Documentation Team
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Joshua Haberman wrote:
> I'm planning to go to at least a day of the O'Reilly Open Source
> Convention that's happening in Portland July 7-11.  If Audacity t-shirts
> are available by then, I'll wear mine and try to spread the good news!

I feel that we're at an impasse.  We need someone to do a little
Photoshop or Illustrator work, but so far nobody has volunteered
to do it for free.  A couple of different people have volunteered
to do it for a fee.

Lee's software scaled the Audacity logo as a bitmap actually quite
well.  If we wanted to print things using a 4-color process, that
automatically enlarged logo will be pretty reasonable for now.

However, based on the feedback I've received, I think that the best
looking T-shirt we could have would be done using a limited number
of bright spot colors, rather than a 4-color process.  The 4-color
process can represent any color by blending others, and it's ideal
for photos, but is not nearly as bright or vibrant on a T-shirt.
The Audacity logo lends itself well to spot colors - we just need
someone to create a nice vector version of the logo.  I'd like it
done in Adobe Illustrator, since that's the industry standard format.
Obviously we can also make a .svg and some bitmaps of the logo
available.

Some options:

1. Spend some money to pay a real graphic artist to do the work
    for us.  I think that this would be the fastest option and the
    results are virtually guaranteed.  I won't pay someone who
    doesn't have a large portfolio showing off their skill.
    (When I found someone to do the Audacity logo in the first place,
    I looked at dozens of different artist's portfolios before I found
    one that I thought would be appropriate for our needs.  I think
    it worked out very well.)

    Harvey Lubin was originally asking $150 to do the bitmap work.
    I think this is a fair price for the vector work also, but if
    you want to limit it to $100, I think we could get someone to
    do it for that.

    Keep in mind - we have well over $500 in the bank, and the
    T-shirts will pay for themselves and then some if we sell them
    on the website.

2. Post to all of the Audacity lists asking if anyone would
    volunteer to do the work.

3. Post an ad on the website asking for a graphic artist.

- Dominic

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On Wednesday 25 June 2003 09:06 pm, Dominic Mazzoni wrote:
> Lee's software scaled the Audacity logo as a bitmap actually quite
> well.  If we wanted to print things using a 4-color process, that
> automatically enlarged logo will be pretty reasonable for now.
>
> However, based on the feedback I've received, I think that the best
> looking T-shirt we could have would be done using a limited number
> of bright spot colors, rather than a 4-color process.  The 4-color
> process can represent any color by blending others, and it's ideal
> for photos, but is not nearly as bright or vibrant on a T-shirt.
> The Audacity logo lends itself well to spot colors - we just need
> someone to create a nice vector version of the logo.  I'd like it
> done in Adobe Illustrator, since that's the industry standard format.
> Obviously we can also make a .svg and some bitmaps of the logo
> available.

Some questions.  The logo that you had made before, specifically, is it the 
one that's at the top of the home page right now?  I realize this sounds like 
a dumb question.....  :)  Was it originally delivered in .jpg format, or did 
you get it in another format?  If you got it in another format, could I get 
it to screw with?

I have illustrator (at work), and I can at least try to convert the jpg on the 
website to a vectored version, but I have no idea if that's acceptable or 
not.  Would that be good enough?  I think I have enough so-called artistic 
talent to take a serious crack at redrawing the logo, but I don't have a lot 
of confidence in it.  (irrelevant: I found out that while I can't draw, I can 
do some halfway decent 3d modeling)  If blender supported more standard 3d 
formats (which it may now, I haven't checked in a while) I'd be more than 
happy to spend a month or so building a good 3d model of those headphones in 
the logo.

I think it would be worth it to post to all of the audacity lists asking for a 
volunteer, especially if you can get a professional to volunteer because then 
you can trade advertising space on the site for it (just something that says 
"Logo drawn by <a href="">this guy</a>").  The amount of traffic that site 
receives should probably draw some people who'd actually be interested in 
doing further business with the guy, and would more than pay for the logo in 
the end.  (unless I'm way off base on what kind of traffic the site gets, I 
really have no idea)

Dave

> Some options:
>
> 1. Spend some money to pay a real graphic artist to do the work
>     for us.  I think that this would be the fastest option and the
>     results are virtually guaranteed.  I won't pay someone who
>     doesn't have a large portfolio showing off their skill.
>     (When I found someone to do the Audacity logo in the first place,
>     I looked at dozens of different artist's portfolios before I found
>     one that I thought would be appropriate for our needs.  I think
>     it worked out very well.)
>
>     Harvey Lubin was originally asking $150 to do the bitmap work.
>     I think this is a fair price for the vector work also, but if
>     you want to limit it to $100, I think we could get someone to
>     do it for that.
>
>     Keep in mind - we have well over $500 in the bank, and the
>     T-shirts will pay for themselves and then some if we sell them
>     on the website.
>
> 2. Post to all of the Audacity lists asking if anyone would
>     volunteer to do the work.
>
> 3. Post an ad on the website asking for a graphic artist.
>
> - Dominic
>
> > Josh
> >
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Dave Fancella wrote:
> Some questions.  The logo that you had made before, specifically, is it the 
> one that's at the top of the home page right now?  I realize this sounds like 
> a dumb question.....  :)  Was it originally delivered in .jpg format, or did 
> you get it in another format?  If you got it in another format, could I get 
> it to screw with?

The largest one I have is the one in the Audacity about box.  I have the
original Photoshop file now, with transparency, but without any of the
layers.

> I have illustrator (at work), and I can at least try to convert the jpg on the 
> website to a vectored version, but I have no idea if that's acceptable or 
> not.  Would that be good enough?  I think I have enough so-called artistic 
> talent to take a serious crack at redrawing the logo, but I don't have a lot 
> of confidence in it.  (irrelevant: I found out that while I can't draw, I can 
> do some halfway decent 3d modeling)  If blender supported more standard 3d 
> formats (which it may now, I haven't checked in a while) I'd be more than 
> happy to spend a month or so building a good 3d model of those headphones in 
> the logo.

You're welcome to give it a try.

> I think it would be worth it to post to all of the audacity lists asking for a 
> volunteer, especially if you can get a professional to volunteer because then 
> you can trade advertising space on the site for it (just something that says 
> "Logo drawn by <a href="">this guy</a>").  The amount of traffic that site 
> receives should probably draw some people who'd actually be interested in 
> doing further business with the guy, and would more than pay for the logo in 
> the end.  (unless I'm way off base on what kind of traffic the site gets, I 
> really have no idea)

Lately we've been getting well over 5000 hits a day:

   http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=6235

I have no idea if having the link to Harvey Lubin and Agrapha has given
him any business, but I would certainly want to do the same for someone
else who volunteered their time for the logo.

- Dominic

> Dave
> 
> 
>>Some options:
>>
>>1. Spend some money to pay a real graphic artist to do the work
>>    for us.  I think that this would be the fastest option and the
>>    results are virtually guaranteed.  I won't pay someone who
>>    doesn't have a large portfolio showing off their skill.
>>    (When I found someone to do the Audacity logo in the first place,
>>    I looked at dozens of different artist's portfolios before I found
>>    one that I thought would be appropriate for our needs.  I think
>>    it worked out very well.)
>>
>>    Harvey Lubin was originally asking $150 to do the bitmap work.
>>    I think this is a fair price for the vector work also, but if
>>    you want to limit it to $100, I think we could get someone to
>>    do it for that.
>>
>>    Keep in mind - we have well over $500 in the bank, and the
>>    T-shirts will pay for themselves and then some if we sell them
>>    on the website.
>>
>>2. Post to all of the Audacity lists asking if anyone would
>>    volunteer to do the work.
>>
>>3. Post an ad on the website asking for a graphic artist.
>>
>>- Dominic
>>
>>
>>>Josh
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On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 21:06, Dominic Mazzoni wrote:
> Joshua Haberman wrote:
> > I'm planning to go to at least a day of the O'Reilly Open Source
> > Convention that's happening in Portland July 7-11.  If Audacity t-shirts
> > are available by then, I'll wear mine and try to spread the good news!
> 
> I feel that we're at an impasse.  We need someone to do a little
> Photoshop or Illustrator work, but so far nobody has volunteered
> to do it for free.  A couple of different people have volunteered
> to do it for a fee.

I think we've reached a point on this issue where democracy is no longer
effective or necessary.  No one has expressed significant opposition,
and the few suggestions that were presented have failed to materialize. 
I say hire someone, deciding the details using your best judgment, and
let us know what you've done.

Dave, if you think you have a serious chance of being able to do good
enough work that it could go on a T-shirt, then perhaps we could put
this off a bit longer.  But it makes sense to me just to put the money
in and get it professionally done.

Once that's done, we can deliberate on the specifics of how the logos
will be arranged on the shirt, but for the time being nothing more is
going to be accomplished on the list, IMO.

As long as the money is there, we might as well spend it on the things
that make sense.  As a potential donor you might wonder what the point
is of donating if the money is just going to sit in an account without
clear ideas of how it will ever be spent.

Josh

Joshua Haberman wrote:

>On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 21:06, Dominic Mazzoni wrote:
>  
>
>>Joshua Haberman wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>I'm planning to go to at least a day of the O'Reilly Open Source
>>>Convention that's happening in Portland July 7-11.  If Audacity t-shirts
>>>are available by then, I'll wear mine and try to spread the good news!
>>>      
>>>
>>I feel that we're at an impasse.  We need someone to do a little
>>Photoshop or Illustrator work, but so far nobody has volunteered
>>to do it for free.  A couple of different people have volunteered
>>to do it for a fee.
>>    
>>
>
>I think we've reached a point on this issue where democracy is no longer
>effective or necessary.  No one has expressed significant opposition,
>and the few suggestions that were presented have failed to materialize. 
>I say hire someone, deciding the details using your best judgment, and
>let us know what you've done.
>
>Dave, if you think you have a serious chance of being able to do good
>enough work that it could go on a T-shirt, then perhaps we could put
>this off a bit longer.  But it makes sense to me just to put the money
>in and get it professionally done.
>  
>
I do not.  It's not worth it to wait for me, it's not likely to 
materialize from me.  :)  I just wince at spending money in general....

Dave

>Once that's done, we can deliberate on the specifics of how the logos
>will be arranged on the shirt, but for the time being nothing more is
>going to be accomplished on the list, IMO.
>
>As long as the money is there, we might as well spend it on the things
>that make sense.  As a potential donor you might wonder what the point
>is of donating if the money is just going to sit in an account without
>clear ideas of how it will ever be spent.
>
>Josh
>
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