Dave Fancella wrote:
> On Monday 17 February 2003 05:24 pm, Joshua Haberman wrote:
>>>OTOH, we'd have no control over packaging. They would install their own
>>>proprietary CD-browsing software with advertising
>>Ugh. I'm wary of having Audacity associated with such crap. If someone
>>did set up an operation like this, I hope they'd make it clear to users
>>that it is not us as Audacity developers who is shoving this stuff down
> You hit the same snag I hit. :) When I get my record recorded, I'm gonna go
> with xburnpro for ordering the CD, then I'm gonna order a $6 CD and see
> exactly what it looks like. That's probably not gonna happen until mid-late
> summer, though, 'cause I've still got a LOT of recording to do (not to
> mention some songwriting and stuff).
I guess I should mention that xburnpro was started by a guy I knew in
college. But that's just the reason I know it exists; I don't have
anything invested in whether they succeed or not.
I think they've hit a niche market, and I like the idea that they don't
charge setup fees. That's the major snag you run into with just about
every other company I've seen: cheap per-CD costs, but only after an
enormous up-front fee.
I am surprised, though, that they don't offer CDs without advertising
for just a little bit more. Sounds like a no-brainer to me.
>>I guess if there's nothing better that you take what you can get. I'm
>>surprised though that anyone wanting to install Audacity on many
>>1. doesn't have the computers networked
>>2. doesn't have access to a CD burner
Those aren't the only reasons someone might want an Audacity CD.
A lot of people have a fast network connection, but only at
work, or not on their "recording" computer. Some like having
CDs of all of their favorite software so they don't have to
worry about downloading it later if their disk crashes.
There are also many people who wouldn't ever give us a donation,
but they would buy something tangible from us at a reasonable
price, and they might be more inclined to do so if they thought
it would help us. I know that I often buy T-shirts or bumper
stickers from causes I agree with.
Of course, all of these points really favor a slightly more
professional CD, rather than the standard (low-volume) xburnpro.
> This is a strong point, but it's possible in any case. There are also plenty
> of people who would be more than willing to buy a CD of audacity to support
> the project, if the CD came bundled with some cool stuff (like a bunch of VST
> plugins, a bunch of LADSPA plugins, a more exhaustive manual in several
> formats, a video-style tutorial like you see in CoolEdit Pro and Quicken and
> M$ Money). Distributing a CD with value-add stuff that you can get on the
> web, but doing the extra leg-work to put it together, is a great way to get
> some financial support for Audacity, theoretically. I'm really curious how
> many copies of their CD the wxWindows guys sell a month, actually, and what
> sort of value-add stuff is on it. Not curious enough to order one, mind
> you... ;)
> Basically, what it comes down to is several things:
> 1) As a project, does Audacity want to sell/support a CD?
I think no, but if a particular individual wants to take on the
responsibility of selling and supporting a CD, and the Audacity
developers are generally happy with it, then we will create a
prominent link to it and encourage people to buy it. Ideally
that individual would share a reasonable portion of the profit
with the project, while keeping enough for him/herself to make
it worth their while.
> 2) If not, simple. Let 3rd parties handle it however they wish. It is GPL,
> after all.
Of course, 3rd parties are welcome to do this without our stamp
of approval, but it'd be nice if
> 3) If so, what is Audacity's target market? I.e. is it software intended
> solely for use by professional sound engineers in million-dollar recording
> studios? Or is it intended to be used by amateur home users that want to
> record stuff (like me) or just restore/convert their vinyl collection to
> digital? Is it intended for both?
Eventually I could imagine many different distributions with different
prices. One distribution could include lots of free sound and music
clips, another could include installers for all three platforms for
sysadmins, and another could focus on pro engineers.
> 4) For professional use, a CD distribution should not have any outside
> advertising, be completely branded with Audacity's own graphics and
> documentation and stuff (and other stuff released under suitable licenses for
> inclusions), as much value-add stuff as possible (plugins), a manual, and
> some sort of support over and above what's available through the mailing list
> and any forums (usually requires commercial backing).
I know that some wxWindows developers make some money doing private
consulting as support.
> 5) For home use, a $6 distribution with advertising, a bunch of value-add
> plugins, and everything that's currently downloadable from audacity's
> website, is probably a reasonable compromise for the level of automation
> given. This same distribution could be purchased by professionals who want
> to evaluate the thing with that warm and fuzzy "out-of-the-box" experience.
Agreed - creating a quick link to an xburnpro CD takes little effort
and satisfies a small group of people who don't want to download
Audacity, but have no other needs. It doesn't make us any
money, though. (I don't think that the normal $6 CD from xburnpro
actually earns us anything...that just covers the cost.)
> Keep in mind that in attempting to define a market, you have to basically
> ignore where audacity stands right now. There's always gonna some
> proprietary-software-lover saying "<insert GPL project here> isn't gonna be
> suitable for professional use unless they implement <insert arbitrary feature
> that exists in some proprietary package here>." What's important is the
> goals of the project and what function is intended for it.
I sure wish we could please everyone! :)
> </stupid marketing talk>
> (One of these days I'm gonna wake up and realize I'm a marketing professional,
> and then I"m gonna have to kick my own ass)
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