Excellent and clear to all. Thanks.
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Thomas Eckardt <Thomas.Eckardt@...
> wrote:
> >What if we changed the DoBlackDomain setting from block to score? Does
> that affect the personal blacklist functionality too?
>
> No, personal black is "personal" and has nothing to do wtih any other
> setting in assp.
>
> >1) Addresses on wach personal whitelist can be either
> a) Listed as whitelisted for that user or
> b) Listed as deleted for that user (what you're calling whitelist deny in
> your last email)
> 2) The personal black list is completely separate and acts the same way in
> which blackListedDomains works?
>
> Yes. But as long as one personal white entry exists, the global will
> exists (for any not personal listed user - like before the p-w-l).
>
> >What threw me off is the part where you said the address without the ,*
> would modify the admins own entry and you said it's true of the GUI too.
> Is
> that no longer the case?
>
> I think there was a small missunderstanding between us.
> The email interface must have an option to manage all (also the admins)
> entries. For this reason the ',*' is used there. To be compatible with the
> email interface, the GUI accepts the same syntax, but it is not needed,
> because the GUI does not know the email address of the user that is logged
> on.
>
> >Some day you'll explain to me how you consistently have the time to reply
> to
> my queries with such detail. Thank you.
>
> >From 4.30 to 7 AM - having some coffee, light on a ciggar and be rid of
> the world.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> Von: K Post <nntp.post@...>
> An: ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
> Datum: 26.05.2010 16:08
> Betreff: Re: [Assp-test] Personal whitelist / blacklist general
> questions
>
>
>
> Some day you'll explain to me how you consistently have the time to reply
> to
> my queries with such detail. Thank you.
>
> Your reply highlighted some of my confusion. So that I'm sure that I'm
> now
> clear. Is it true that:
> 1) Addresses on wach personal whitelist can be either
> a) Listed as whitelisted for that user or
> b) Listed as deleted for that user (what you're calling whitelist deny in
> your last email)
> 2) The personal black list is completely separate and acts the same way in
> which blackListedDomains works?
>
>
> What if we changed the DoBlackDomain setting from block to score? Does
> that affect the personal blacklist functionality too?
>
>
> Back when you requested testing assistance for the personal white feature,
> you wrote:
> >user@...,*
> If the address is written without the ',*' his own entry
> 'user@...' will be maked as deleted.
> This belongs also to the GUI.
>
> What threw me off is the part where you said the address without the ,*
> would modify the admins own entry and you said it's true of the GUI too.
> Is
> that no longer the case?
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Thomas Eckardt
> <Thomas.Eckardt@...
> > wrote:
>
> > >> ----The whitelisted flag is a global flag per email - this flag will
> > only
> > >> be removed from an email, if all envelope do not deni the sender in
> > there
> > >> personal white.
> > >>
> > >So 1 person having it whitelisted and another blacklisted (personally),
> > the
> > >white will win and the email will get through to both people right?
> >
> > Person A has it whitelisted, Person B has it white denied - the
> > whitelisted flag will be removed after the 'RCPT TO:' command. The mail
> > will be processed without the 'whitelisted' flag.
> >
> > Person A has it whitelisted. Person B has it 'personal black listed' (it
> > does not play a rule if B has it white or white deni) - the sender will
> > get a '450 mailbox B unavailable' for 'RCPT TO: B' , the mail will be
> not
> > delivered to B but to A and it will remain whitelisted as long there is
> no
> > C who has it 'white denied'.
> >
> > >Still though, with the personal blacklist, email from a user
> blacklisted
> > >entry would add to the corpus? Any way to toggle that option?
> >
> > personal blacklisted senders will be blocked after the 'RCPT TO:'
> command
> > - so the mail will be never received, as long there is no other
> recipient
> > who wants to get the mail.
> > personal black - is 'personal' , which meens that it does not belong to
> > any other (global) check or score in assp.
> >
> > > ----Is it too much to write a ,* ?
> >
> > You do not need to write the ',*' to remove all entries for an address.
> > Try it. The hint to the ',*' is only in the GUI to support the same
> syntax
> > like in the email interface where we need it (no other way).
> >
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Von: K Post <nntp.post@...>
> > An: ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
> > Datum: 25.05.2010 21:44
> > Betreff: Re: [Assp-test] Personal whitelist / blacklist general
> > questions
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks as alwasy Thomas. Almost everything you said is not only
> clear,
> > but also how I hoped it would work. Shouldn't be a suprise - everything
> > you
> > seem to do makes sense...
> >
> > Followup questions:
> >
> >
> > >4) Say sender@... is whitelisted globally but
> user2@...
> > has
> > that address blacklisted. If sender@... sends a single email to
> > user1@... and user2@..., will it get through to
> > neither,
> > both, or only user1? If blocked to user2 but not user1 will
> > sender@... still get a notification that it was blocked?
> >
> > > >that address blacklisted !!!! ---- "not white" meen not "black"
> > >
> > > Huh? You lost me on "not white meaning not black".
> >
> >
> > > ----The whitelisted flag is a global flag per email - this flag will
> > only
> > > be removed from an email, if all envelope do not deni the sender in
> > there
> > > personal white.
> > >
> > So 1 person having it whitelisted and another blacklisted (personally),
> > the
> > white will win and the email will get through to both people right?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I strongly recommend and request that we change the GUI
> functionality.
> > I
> > > regularly remove 10-20 addresses from the whitelist at a time,
> intending
> > > to
> > > remove them for everyone. It would be nice to continue being able to
> > just
> > > stick the addresses in there from an email header, whithout having to
> > > clean
> > > them up and put ,* after each. If as an admin I want to edit only my
> > > personal list, I can use the email interface just like everyone else.
> > >
> > > If this won't work, maybe we could add a radio button to "Remove from
> > > master
> > > whitelist and personal whiteliststs" and let that use the old syntax
> and
> > > affect everyone?
> > >
> > > ----Is it too much to write a ,* ?
> > >
> > >
> > Of course not, not for a single entry, but what about copying something
> > from
> > the headers of an email where it's like:
> > To: "person name" (email@...), Joe joe@...,
> > other.person@..., [ 200 other addresses]
> >
> > We catch stuff like this every once in a while, where a whitelisted
> sender
> > has their account hijacked at hotmail. Then they send a message to 200
> > people including one of our recipients with a viagra link. When we
> catch
> > it, we want to remove the 200 people from the globabl whitelist. Having
> > to
> > edit the string of addresses is a pain. Previously we could just copy
> > paste
> > and ASSP would parse the string to pull out the email addresses.
> >
> > Would it be hard to have the code assume that removals are global from
> the
> > GUI unless the address,user syntax is used (in which case it would be
> per
> > user).
> >
> >
> > Along the same lines, whitelist additions from the gui should go to the
> > master whitelist IMO and only also go to personal whitelists if using
> > email,user syntax. Why have the extra overhead if it's not necessary?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > >6) On the personal blacklist, if some user blacklists *@yahoo.com
> (out
> > of
> > > stupidity), clearly they won't get email from anyone from yahoo.
> > However,
> > > will this idiot mistake cause these rejected emails in the same way
> that
> > > the
> > > master blackListedDomains does? Is so, that would allow a stupid user
> > to
> > > corrupt the corpus pretty quickly. This is why I changed wildcardUser
> > to
> > > something that no user would be able to guess. I assume that
> > wildcardUser
> > > is used with the personal white and blacklists too?
> > >
> > > >*@yahoo.com
> > >
> > > ----wildcards are not supported for this reason
> >
> > Still though, with the personal blacklist, email from a user blacklisted
> > entry would add to the corpus? Any way to toggle that option?
> >
> >
> > In all this sure seems like a great addition!
> > Thanks
> >
> >
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