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>baysNonSpamLog -- OK Mail: 0 (Default: 4)
>There are only 3 possible options in the gui, so how can 4 be a
>default?


Where do you see a "4"? Default = okmail. And yes internally is that a
 "4". There are 8 options to choose from as it is for several years
now (0-7).  In the selector I put only the selection out of the 7
which make sense for the item. The numbers should not be visible. Are
they visible?

Fritz Borgstedt wrote: 
> Where do you see a "4"? Default = okmail. And yes internally 
> is that a  "4".  

Again, as I stated in my first email, this is all in the "Non-Default
Settings" report.  So, on the menu, click Non-Default Settings.  That is
where I saw 4.  It said 4 was the default.  So, without having to dig
into ASSP's code, how is anyone going to know what 4's equivalent is in
the GUI?

> There are 8 options to choose from as it is 
> for several years now (0-7). 

That I am aware of, as I've been keeping mostly up-to-date for years
now.  This is just something I ran across and thought I'd mention to you
(because unless you're the programmer, how do you know what 1-8's
equivalent values are without a point of reference).

> In the selector I put only the 
> selection out of the 7 which make sense for the item. The 
> numbers should not be visible. Are they visible?

The numbers are not visible in the Gui.  However, if someone were to use
this "Non-Default Settings" report to set their defaults (because the
recommended defaults change from time-to-time), this would be confusing
since numbers are suggested for the defaults yet they're not shown in
the Gui.

Kind Regards,
Brett

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schreibt:
>Again, as I stated in my first email, this is all in the "Non-Default
>Settings" report.  So, on the menu, click Non-Default Settings.  That
>is
>where I saw 4.  It said 4 was the default.  So, without having to dig
>into ASSP's code, how is anyone going to know what 4's equivalent is
>in
>the GUI?


You are right. And that is also true in the Logging Section. (1
=Standard, 2=Verbose)

Steve Thompson wrote:
> Global symbol "$spfpValencePB" requires explicit package name at C:\ASSP\assp.pl
>   

Same thing under Linux:

Global symbol "$spfpValencePB" requires explicit package name at 
./assp.pl line 8756.
BEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at ./assp.pl line 17061

Doug

-- 
Ben Franklin quote:

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

> Global symbol "$spfpValencePB" requires explicit package name 
> at C:\ASSP\assp.pl  line 8756.
> BEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at 
> C:\ASSP\assp.pl line 15377.

Started fine here.  Win2k3 Server with Perl 5.10.

--
Brett

>> Global symbol "$spfpValencePB" requires explicit package name 
>> at C:\ASSP\assp.pl  line 8756.
>> BEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at 
>> C:\ASSP\assp.pl line 15377.
> 
> Started fine here.  Win2k3 Server with Perl 5.10.

Same error I saw, seems to only happen if you hit the apply
button (so the config is changed) and then try to restart ASSP
probably some config parameter gets screwed

2009/3/27 Thomas Eckardt/eck <Thomas.Eckardt@...>

> So assuming that
>    @t=sort {abs($b-.5)<=>abs($a-.5)} @t;
> is not working well ?
>

It seems to get fixed by changing that line into:

@t=sort {abs($main::b-.5)<=>abs($main::a-.5)} @t;

I only got a few results to base this on... but I feel good hope... ;-)

2009/3/27 Wim Borghs <wim.borghs@...>

> 2009/3/27 Thomas Eckardt/eck <Thomas.Eckardt@...>
>
>> So assuming that
>>    @t=sort {abs($b-.5)<=>abs($a-.5)} @t;
>> is not working well ?
>>
>
> It seems to get fixed by changing that line into:
>
> @t=sort {abs($main::b-.5)<=>abs($main::a-.5)} @t;
>
> I only got a few results to base this on... but I feel good hope... ;-)


yep, it works like a charm now!
what a relief!

Still trying to fully understand what went wrong and why this change fixed
it though...
Is this bug-record related to this issue?:
http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=60374

I wonder if a similar change would best be done to the sort instructions in:
- sub ConfigAnalyze
- sub AnalyzeText
- sub ShutdownList
- sub ManageAdminUsers
- sub getBestWorker

And if this is indeed an issue with threaded Perl, are there other similar
issues that might impact assp?

There don't seem to be any sort-issues in
- sub ConfigAnalyze
- sub ShutdownList

Maybe there is no issue when sort is called from the main thread but the
issue only occurs when sort is called from any other thread?

Just use the SMTP Connection screen - are the connection sorted by the 
active time? 

There the same sort is used!

Thomas




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>
> 2009/3/27 Thomas Eckardt/eck <Thomas.Eckardt@...>
> So assuming that
>    @t=sort {abs($b-.5)<=>abs($a-.5)} @t;
> is not working well ?
>

That's correct, as unbelievable as it may seem.

Incorrect sorting results in not picking the most interesting features of
the mail to base the bayesian analysis on, so the result is less reliable.
We use the bayesian confidence safeguard against doubtful spam/ham
classifications so we see more cases regarded as doubtful resulting in 
more
mails sent through with the subject tagged as [spam?].

Maybe sort has issues when:
- sort is called with a block defining the sort-order (using $a and $b)
- and threading is used
- and $a or $b variables are used elsewhere in the program?

I tried this patch as an attempt to resolve the issue but to no avail:
@@ -8411 +8411 @@
-  foreach $a (split(/\|/,$_[0])) {
+  foreach my $a (split(/\|/,$_[0])) {
@@ -8464 +8464 @@
-    foreach $a (split(/\|/,$_[0])) {
+    foreach my $a (split(/\|/,$_[0])) {
@@ -8486 +8486 @@
-    foreach $a (split(/\|/,$_[0])) {
+    foreach my $a (split(/\|/,$_[0])) {
@@ -9691 +9691 @@
-                foreach $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
+                foreach my $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
@@ -9699 +9699 @@
-                foreach $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
+                foreach my $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
@@ -9707 +9707 @@
-                foreach $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
+                foreach my $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
@@ -9715 +9715 @@
-                foreach $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
+                foreach my $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
@@ -9742 +9742 @@
-                foreach $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
+                foreach my $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
@@ -9749 +9749 @@
-                foreach $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
+                foreach my $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
@@ -9756 +9756 @@
-                foreach $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
+                foreach my $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
@@ -9763 +9763 @@
-                foreach $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
+                foreach my $a (split(/ /,$this->{rcpt}))
{ListReportExec($a,$this)};
@@ -26116 +26116 @@
-    for $a (split(/\|/,$new)) {
+    foreach my $a (split(/\|/,$new)) {
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2009/3/27 Thomas Eckardt/eck <Thomas.Eckardt@...>

> Just use the SMTP Connection screen - are the connection sorted by the
> active time?


Yes, that's how I checked it.


> There the same sort is used!


Yes, that's why I checked it.

Do you have trouble believing that the sort in sub BayesOK doesn't sort on
my site?
I don't blame you. I had trouble believing what I saw also.

Did you check if it sorts ok on your site? Please, someone, check it...

I still wonder if this issue occurs:
- only at my site for some bizarre reason
- on all sites using assp threaded
- on some sites, such as all sites using assp on ActiveState Perl
- ...

And I still don't understand why it gets fixed by changing this line:
@t=sort {abs($b-.5)<=>abs($a-.5)} @t;
into:
@t=sort {abs($main::b-.5)<=>abs($main::a-.5)} @t;

And why this sort fails while other similar sort instructions show no
problem.
My guess was that it has something to do with being called from the main
thread or another thread.
But that alone doesn't seem to explain it... Or main thread or not even has
nothing to do with it...

May be it will make trubble if you have declared $a and/or $b in a higher 
scope or sub (with our) - but this is not happend in ASSP.

>My guess was that it has something to do with being called from the main
>thread or another thread.

Main thread never calls any check! This is done by the workers!
And as long the vars are not shared, they are exclusiv by every single 
thread!

I dont know why the $main::a$/$b  works - but it works - by the way I've 
never had this problem!

Thomas





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2009/3/27 Thomas Eckardt/eck <Thomas.Eckardt@...>

> Just use the SMTP Connection screen - are the connection sorted by the
> active time?


Yes, that's how I checked it.


> There the same sort is used!


Yes, that's why I checked it.

Do you have trouble believing that the sort in sub BayesOK doesn't sort on
my site?
I don't blame you. I had trouble believing what I saw also.

Did you check if it sorts ok on your site? Please, someone, check it...

I still wonder if this issue occurs:
- only at my site for some bizarre reason
- on all sites using assp threaded
- on some sites, such as all sites using assp on ActiveState Perl
- ...

And I still don't understand why it gets fixed by changing this line:
@t=sort {abs($b-.5)<=>abs($a-.5)} @t;
into:
@t=sort {abs($main::b-.5)<=>abs($main::a-.5)} @t;

And why this sort fails while other similar sort instructions show no
problem.
My guess was that it has something to do with being called from the main
thread or another thread.
But that alone doesn't seem to explain it... Or main thread or not even 
has
nothing to do with it...
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Steve Thompson wrote:
> 
> Run instantly.
> 
> Still not working as of .10

I'll second that.

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ok , trying 1.09.
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0.08
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> Is changed

A couple of issues; the first is probably related to the latest
release, installing it the program starts fine, but if you hit the
apply button (even w/o changing anything) and restart the
service, it bombs... rolled back to previous; the error was
related to a penaltybox string... didn't make a note ot if,
sorry :(

Then... I configured the penalty box in "monitor" mode, but
it seems to keep growing undefinitely, and the more it grows
the slower ASSP becomes (I suspect it's due to lookups
taking more time); last time I had a 21Mb file, now I wiped
it and ASSP started to be quick again... is there any way
to tell ASSP to keep the pbdb.black.db down in size ?

GrayHat <grayhat@...> schreibt:
>Will I need to wipe the existing cache ?

I hope not. At least I tried to use both formats.